[Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention

Wed Feb 27 06:14:35 PST 2008

Nothing could be farther from the truth. We have had some very good
presidents. J.F. Kennedy, D.D. Eisenhower, H.S. Truman, C. Coolidge, and A.
Lincoln for instance. We have also had some truly great presidents as well.
G. Washington, (the best ever bar none) T. Jefferson, J. Madison, and, of
course,  R. W. Reagan.

Perhaps you would be more comfortable with a monarchy?

g

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Basoa" <sbasoa at moscow.com>
Cc: "Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention

> Yeah, and add those 43 other presidents as well...
>
>
> On Feb 26, 2008, at 12:38 PM, g. crabtree wrote:
>
> Roger, You left LBJ off of your worst  presidents list. An inadvertent
> oversight I'm sure. I think that there is also a strong case to be
> made for
> Woodrow Wilson and, despite popular sentiment, FDR.
>
> g
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
>
>
>> Gary is right on Obama. Keely is wrong on Bush. Bush is far from
>> the best
>> president we have had, but he is far from the worst. The bottom tier
>> consists of Buchcanan, Pierce, Harding, and Carter. This is the
>> consensus
>> of most historians. The rankings change with time, but most agree
>> these
>> are the worst. W. H. Harrisson and Garfield weren'y  president long
>> enough
>> to be evaluated.
>> Paul's idea on elections has some merit and it would save the
>> expenses of
>> a runoff election.
>> Roger
>>
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
>> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:24:43 -0800
>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
>>
>>> With pleasure:
>>>
>>> Estimated 800 Billion in new government spending for starters.
>>>
>>> Massive tax hikes to pay for above. (a 39.6 percent personal
>>> income tax,
>>> a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent
>>> capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent
>>> death
>>> tax, again just for starters. High likelihood of even higher rates
>>> for
>>> capital gains and death tax)
>>>
>>> Enormous increases in government bureaucracy. (health care,
>>> mortgages,
>>> education, etc.)
>>>
>>> Weakened military. (zero military or foreign affairs expertise)
>>>
>>> Additional intrusion by the government into the most minute
>>> aspects of
>>> our daily lives.
>>>
>>> Large increase in illegal immigration. (favors drivers licenses for
>>> illegals, weak on border enforcement)
>>>
>>> Disintegration of second amendment rights.
>>>
>>> Erosion of first amendment rights. (fairness doctrine, additional
>>> campaign finance reform)
>>>
>>> Will drive more U.S. corporations overseas. (major increases in
>>> tax rate
>>> and regulation)
>>>
>>> This is just the tip of the iceberg, I could go on. Pretty much
>>> all the
>>> things that make you all warm and tingly down below are the things
>>> that
>>> make me pretty much sick to my stomach.
>>>
>>> Would I be correct in assuming that your second paragraph with the
>>> multiple snide remarks about GW was included as an example of the
>>> sorts
>>> of things I should avoid to merit the "extra credit" you spoke of
>>> in the
>>> first paragraph?
>>>
>>> g
>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>   From: keely emerinemix
>>>   To: g. crabtree ; Chasuk ; Vision2020
>>>   Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:32 PM
>>>   Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   Please describe, Gary, why an Obama presidency would be a "horror
>>> show."  Extra credit if you can do it without being snide.
>>>
>>>   Even if not measured against the current occupant we have in the
>>> Oval
>>> Office, Barack Obama would represent an enormous improvement in
>>> brainpower, heart, and backbone, one for which I'll enthusiastically
>>> campaign.  Of course the next president will be compared to Bush,
>>> which
>>> will have the effect of further consigning Bush to the bottom of
>>> the heap
>>> of history's losers.
>>>
>>>   Keely
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
>>>> To: chasuk at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:46:26 -0800
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
>>>>
>>>> Run Ralph, Run! America needs you. (to help save us from the horror
>>> show
>>>> that would be Obama)
>>>>
>>>> g
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:01 PM
>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph Nader could be poised for another third party presidential
>>> campaign.
>>>>>
>>>>> The consumer advocate will appear on NBC's "Meet the Press" on
>>> Sunday.
>>>>> Nader launched his 2004 presidential run on the show.
>>>>>
>>>>> A spokesman for Nader did not immediately return a call seeking
>>> comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kevin Zeese, who was Nader's spokesman during the 2004 presidential
>>>>> race, but is no longer working for him, said Friday that Nader has
>>>>> been actively talking to "lots of people on all sorts of levels"
>>> about
>>>>> the possibility of making another run.
>>>>>
>>>>> Zeese said he could only guess what Nader might do, but added:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Obviously, I don't think ("Meet the Press" host) Tim Russert would
>>>>> have him on for no reason."
>>>>>
>>>>> Last month, Nader began an exploratory presidential campaign and
>>>>> launched a Web site that promises to fight "corporate greed,
>>> corporate
>>>>> power, corporate control."
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