[Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention

Tue Feb 26 15:03:18 PST 2008

Gary
I personally would place all three of them there. They were all a disaster as far as expanding the influence of the federal government, destroying individual initiative, downgrading the family and in general reducing freedom of the individual; but my list is how most historians rate them.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 13:38:17 -0800
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention

> Roger, You left LBJ off of your worst  presidents list. An inadvertent 
> oversight I'm sure. I think that there is also a strong case to be made for 
> Woodrow Wilson and, despite popular sentiment, FDR.
> 
> g
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> To: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
> 
> 
> > Gary is right on Obama. Keely is wrong on Bush. Bush is far from the best 
> > president we have had, but he is far from the worst. The bottom tier 
> > consists of Buchcanan, Pierce, Harding, and Carter. This is the consensus 
> > of most historians. The rankings change with time, but most agree these 
> > are the worst. W. H. Harrisson and Garfield weren'y  president long enough 
> > to be evaluated.
> > Paul's idea on elections has some merit and it would save the expenses of 
> > a runoff election.
> > Roger
> >
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
> > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:24:43 -0800
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
> >
> >> With pleasure:
> >>
> >> Estimated 800 Billion in new government spending for starters.
> >>
> >> Massive tax hikes to pay for above. (a 39.6 percent personal income tax, 
> >> a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent 
> >> capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent death 
> >> tax, again just for starters. High likelihood of even higher rates for 
> >> capital gains and death tax)
> >>
> >> Enormous increases in government bureaucracy. (health care, mortgages, 
> >> education, etc.)
> >>
> >> Weakened military. (zero military or foreign affairs expertise)
> >>
> >> Additional intrusion by the government into the most minute aspects of 
> >> our daily lives.
> >>
> >> Large increase in illegal immigration. (favors drivers licenses for 
> >> illegals, weak on border enforcement)
> >>
> >> Disintegration of second amendment rights.
> >>
> >> Erosion of first amendment rights. (fairness doctrine, additional 
> >> campaign finance reform)
> >>
> >> Will drive more U.S. corporations overseas. (major increases in tax rate 
> >> and regulation)
> >>
> >> This is just the tip of the iceberg, I could go on. Pretty much all the 
> >> things that make you all warm and tingly down below are the things that 
> >> make me pretty much sick to my stomach.
> >>
> >> Would I be correct in assuming that your second paragraph with the 
> >> multiple snide remarks about GW was included as an example of the sorts 
> >> of things I should avoid to merit the "extra credit" you spoke of in the 
> >> first paragraph?
> >>
> >> g
> >>   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>   From: keely emerinemix
> >>   To: g. crabtree ; Chasuk ; Vision2020
> >>   Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:32 PM
> >>   Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   Please describe, Gary, why an Obama presidency would be a "horror 
> >> show."  Extra credit if you can do it without being snide.
> >>
> >>   Even if not measured against the current occupant we have in the Oval 
> >> Office, Barack Obama would represent an enormous improvement in 
> >> brainpower, heart, and backbone, one for which I'll enthusiastically 
> >> campaign.  Of course the next president will be compared to Bush, which 
> >> will have the effect of further consigning Bush to the bottom of the heap 
> >> of history's losers.
> >>
> >>   Keely
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   > From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> >>   > To: chasuk at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>   > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:46:26 -0800
> >>   > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
> >>   >
> >>   > Run Ralph, Run! America needs you. (to help save us from the horror 
> >> show
> >>   > that would be Obama)
> >>   >
> >>   > g
> >>   > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>   > From: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>
> >>   > To: "Vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> >>   > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:01 PM
> >>   > Subject: [Vision2020] Narcissist Nader May Run Attention
> >>   >
> >>   >
> >>   > > http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
> >>   > >
> >>   > > Ralph Nader could be poised for another third party presidential 
> >> campaign.
> >>   > >
> >>   > > The consumer advocate will appear on NBC's "Meet the Press" on 
> >> Sunday.
> >>   > > Nader launched his 2004 presidential run on the show.
> >>   > >
> >>   > > A spokesman for Nader did not immediately return a call seeking 
> >> comment.
> >>   > >
> >>   > > Kevin Zeese, who was Nader's spokesman during the 2004 presidential
> >>   > > race, but is no longer working for him, said Friday that Nader has
> >>   > > been actively talking to "lots of people on all sorts of levels" 
> >> about
> >>   > > the possibility of making another run.
> >>   > >
> >>   > > Zeese said he could only guess what Nader might do, but added:
> >>   > >
> >>   > > "Obviously, I don't think ("Meet the Press" host) Tim Russert would
> >>   > > have him on for no reason."
> >>   > >
> >>   > > Last month, Nader began an exploratory presidential campaign and
> >>   > > launched a Web site that promises to fight "corporate greed, 
> >> corporate
> >>   > > power, corporate control."
> >>   > >
> >>   > > =======================================================
> >>   > > List services made available by First Step Internet,
> >>   > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> >>   > > http://www.fsr.net
> >>   > > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>   > > =======================================================
> >>   > >
> >>   >
> >>   >
> >>   > =======================================================
> >>   > List services made available by First Step Internet,
> >>   > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.
> >>   > http://www.fsr.net
> >>   > mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com
> >>   > =======================================================
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>   Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. Get it now!
> >>
> > 
> 
>