[Vision2020] God's problem: Hawkins Mall

pkraut at moscow.com pkraut at moscow.com
Sat Feb 23 09:07:23 PST 2008


What long term planning?? We had a comprehensive plan and it was changed 
by a few for their comfort not for the good of the city as a whole so it 
is useless. Each group is guilty of having the plan skewed for their ends 
and change happens. 



> You read my head, Ted.
> 
> The hawks at Hawkins will get their way.
> We are their prey as the blinded here pray,
> "Give us more shopping, take our worries away."
> The only problem, as even God may say,
> "Shop 'til you drop may make you gay,
> but it won't last forever.  One day you'll pay."
> 
> Thank God for the mall!  What more could we really ask
> for?  Oh, wait, maybe common sense and rationality?  A
> little long term planning, perhaps?
> 
> gclev
> 
> --- Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > If God is an omnipotent, all knowing and all good
> > being, God does not have a
> > problem.  Only limited beings that lack the
> > capability to comprehend such
> > infinite capacities have a "problem."  Having said
> > that, the problem of
> > evil, or suffering, in a universe created by "God,"
> > as it has been parsed in
> > the history of theology and philosophy, is a subject
> > that it is difficult to
> > say anything new about.
> > 
> > There are far more opportunities to say something
> > new about environmental
> > sustainability, alternative energy, the problem of
> > CO2/fossil fuel induced
> > climate change, and the connections to these
> > problems with the USA's out of
> > control consumer culture, now to hit the Palouse
> > with an inspiration to
> > attain even higher levels of wanton consumption,
> > with the Hawkins Mall.
> > 
> > If someone has something new to say about the
> > problem of suffering, or the
> > problem of evil, given certain assumptions about a
> > creator "God,"
> > theologically speaking, please, enlighten us.
> > 
> > Otherwise, perhaps we should focus on the critical
> > problems of how humanity
> > is to make peace with Nature, before we slide off
> > the cliff of species
> > extinction, ecosystem collapse, and resource
> > depletion, as the human
> > population keeps expanding, as we worship at the
> > alter of materialistic
> > consumption as the primary goal of the human race,
> > as anthropogenic climate
> > change portends to remake our planet into a world
> > unrecognizable to the
> > current generation.
> > 
> > The Hawkins Mall is a local focal point for these
> > critical problems the
> > human race is facing.  And to deny this is to deny
> > the reality of the
> > impacts materialistic consumerism is having on the
> > very fabric of life on
> > our planet.
> > 
> > Hey, what do I know?  I just read the latest science
> > on environmental
> > consequences of human activity and industry, and
> > connect the dots to what we
> > are doing here to the impacts globally.  We are all
> > a "wholly owned
> > subsidiary" of the Earth as a living system.
> > 
> > I'll be long gone when we have reaped what we sow...
> > In the meantime, yes, I
> > am a beneficiary of the capitalist consumer culture,
> > so to some extent, I am
> > criticizing the hand that feeds me...
> > 
> > Ted Moffett
> > 
> > On 2/20/08, Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > RALPH NIELSEN
> > >
> > > Here goes the old librarian again. Yesterday on
> > NPR Fresh Air there
> > > was an interview with Bart Ehrman about his latest
> > book "God's
> > > Problem: How the Bible Fails to Answer Our Most
> > Important Question."
> > >
> > > It deals with the age-old problem of theodicy: why
> > is there
> > > suffering in the world?
> > >
> > > The web site is
> > >
> > >
> >
> <www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=19096131>
> > >
> > > Or go to <www.NPR.org>, then to the "Top emailed
> > stories," and click on
> > > Bart Ehrman. You can download the interview or
> > listen to it there.
> > >
> > > We religious skeptics ought to know about this
> > problem ourselves. We
> > > can't leave it to God, can we?
> > >
> > > I found myself almost completely agreeing with
> > him. I certainly agree
> > > with him that Ecclesiastes is one of the best
> > books in the Bible.
> > >
> > > Good listening and good reading.
> > >
> > >
> > 
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