[Vision2020] questions for Jeff/ was (no subject)

[pkraut at moscow.com]

Maybe they aren't screaming because they don't see it as you and a small 
group see it?? Maybe more people see it as the positive thing it is and 
look forward to the future. I am very tired of all the screaming and 
meetings with the same old complaints from the same people. This council 
made a great forward looking decision and it will bode us well for a long 
time and many who care very much about Moscow know the truth of it all. 


> Honestly, does anyone think the City or the Council gives a rat's behind
wh> at the citizens think?
> 
> All this palaver and not one single thing will be different...the
money-cha> ngers will still have their day at the temple.
> 
> After almost 20 years of watching the take-over of Moscow and the
destructi> on of what this town used to be like, I'm just sick of it!  
This BB was
pro> duced to help get the citizen's voice out there and heard and who 
the hell
> cares?!  Certainly, not the Mayor or the Council or City Officials.  Its
th> e same good-old-boys that keep getting elected and employed and the 
same
cr> ap getting said and the same.....everything.  NOTHING will ever get 
better
> because the citizens are simply not in the mood to really fight for what
th> ey want and the Council, City Officials (yes, that's YOU Gary and 
Randy)
ke> ep snowballing things through without a single care of what the 
citizens
of>  this town really want or need.
> 
> Where are the citizens at the city meetings?  Where are the people in 
the
s> treets, protesting what is obviously an under-the-table-dealing and (oh
ple> ase don't say it!) possibly money changing hands to bums-rush a deal
throug> h that the CITIZENS DON'T WANT OR NEED?  Where is the VOICE of 
Moscow and
w> hy isn't it being heard SCREAMING!!!????
> 
> Well, ok then - go for it Steed and the rest of you!  You want to 
destroy
a>  small community and watch the people shrivel away - you got.  Its
happenin> g as you sputter and sneak about and just plain do what's best 
for YOUR
poc> kets.  Seems as if very few people will be watching much less givin' 
a
flip>  about what you do, anyway.
> 
> J  :]
> 
> 
> > Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:50:10 -0800
> > From: garrettmc at verizon.net
> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com; jeffh at moscow.com
> > Subject: [Vision2020] questions for Jeff/ was (no subject)
> > 
> > Hi Jeff,
> > 
> > Thanks for taking the time to dialog about Hawkins.
> > 
> > I emailed v2020 earlier with a series of questions I'd
> > like to read your response to if you care to answer.
> > 
> > A little deeper then that, though, as you appear to be
> > pro-growth through the corridor starting on Moscow's
> > end, I'm wondering what your vision of that is.  Are
> > you really excited about seeing it developed similarly
> > to most other cities?
> > 
> > I moved to the Palouse in 1991 from LA and my parent's
> > live in western Wash, so I've seen strip mall sprawl
> > as far as the eye can see.  I'm always amazed at the
> > development that occurs so quickly.  Personally, I
> > think it's ridiculous to have 3 Walgreens within 7
> > miles of each other, on top of all the other chain
> > stores that seem so similar.  Do you have that sort of
> > vision for the corridor?  A bunch of chain stores
> > selling things you can get a few miles down the road? 
> > Where does that stop?
> > 
> > I think Hawkins is ridiculously huge, but if it
> > located closer to Pullman, so be it.  However, for a
> > mall twice the size as the PEM to be built, like a
> > leech, next to Moscow (we have no choice but to be on
> > the border since that's where we are) seems predatory.
> >  They've admitted that they want Moscow's business,
> > and they swindled their way in, through their
> > "agreement," while getting subsidized by Moscow
> > taxpayers.  Do you think this kind of project,
> > spearheaded by a huge development firm who has little
> > regard for the "locals," is really necessary?
> > 
> > As a farmer, I am not anti-growth.  I love to grow
> > things.  This leads to another reason I'm concerned
> > about sprawl.  We are losing farmland all around, and
> > it's not just going to come back.  There may be a day
> > when we wish we had that farmland back, instead of a
> > concrete monstrosity.  It seems though, that the
> > almighty dollar has many people bowing down, not
> > seeing that this uncontrolled "pro-growth" is really
> > detrimental to us in the long run.  The growth path we
> > are currently on is not sustainable, and it is
> > irresponsible to continue to feed it.
> > 
> > Most of these chain stores are feeding the riches
> > families in the world while providing low wage jobs
> > with little to no benefits.  On top of that, they are
> > selling things made mostly overseas, with questionable
> > means of production (little to no labor or environment
> > regulations).  It would be one thing if people
> > supported growing our local economy sustainably,
> > taking advantage of the creativity of the locals. 
> > We'd be creating far more wealth if more people used
> > their energies towards creating tangible assets,
> > rather than focusing on retail.  How many square feet
> > of retail can we possibly need?
> > 
> > Thanks for your time,
> > 
> > Garrett
> > 
> > ps  We are excited to be offering Community Supported
> > Agriculture shares this summer for 40 people.  We just
> > got our seeds today!  To excite you all for the coming
> > growing season, here is a list of the varieties we
> > plan to grow:
> > 
> > 205PO-Provider Bush Green Bean OG (B=8oz) 1 x $4.20=
> > $4.20
> > 210ST-Strike Bush Green Bean (B=8oz) 1 x $3.50= $3.50
> > 230JD-Jade Bush Green Bean (B=8oz) 1 x $4.50= $4.50
> > 292RS-Rattlesnake Pole Bean (B=8oz) 1 x $3.50= $3.50
> > 297MP-Multicolored Pole Bean Mix (B=2oz) 1 x $2.80=
> > $2.80
> > 812DW-Dwarf White Sugar Snow Pea (B=8oz) 1 x $3.30=
> > $3.30
> > 818GT-Oregon Giant Snow Pea (C=1lb) 1 x $5.50= $5.50
> > 826SP-Oregon Sugar Pod II Snow Pea (C=1lb) 1 x $5.20=
> > $5.20
> > 882SU-Sugar Ann Snap Pea (C=1lb) 1 x $6.20= $6.20
> > 892NP-Sugarsnap Snap Pea (C=1lb) 1 x $6.60= $6.60
> > 1244MG-Mexican Sour Gherkin Cucumber ECO (A=0.2g) 1 x
> > $1.60= $1.60
> > 1312MM-Marketmore 76 Slicing Cucumber (B=1/4oz) 1 x
> > $1.20= $1.20
> > 1382SZ-Super Zagross Middle Eastern Slicing Cucumber
> > (B=1/4oz) 1 x
> >  $2.40= $2.40
> > 1411BZ-Black Zucchini (B=1/4oz) 1 x $1.50= $1.50
> > 1504SF-Saffron Summer Squash (C=1/2oz) 1 x $2.50=
> > $2.50
> > 1608TQ-Table Queen Acorn Winter Squash (B=1/2oz) 1 x
> > $1.50= $1.50
> > 1628BB-Burgess Buttercup Winter Squash (B=1/2oz) 1 x
> > $1.80= $1.80
> > 1660SM-Sweet Meat Winter Squash (B=1/2oz) 1 x $1.60=
> > $1.60
> > 1666SP-Spaghetti Winter Squash (C=1oz) 1 x $3.00=
> > $3.00
> > 1680SM-Sweet Mama Buttercup Winter Squash (A=1/8oz) 1
> > x $2.20= $2.20
> > 1683CV-Carnival Winter Squash (B=1/4oz) 1 x $3.20=
> > $3.20
> > 1687ND-Nutty Delica Winter Squash (A=1/8oz) 1 x $2.20=
> > $2.20
> > 1702WL-Wee-B-Little Pumpkin (B=1/4oz) 1 x $3.00= $3.00
> > 1702WL-Wee-B-Little Pumpkin (A=1/8oz) 1 x $1.60= $1.60
> > 2018TP-Tonda di Parigi Carrot (A=1/8oz) 1 x $1.20=
> > $1.20
> > 2042SN-Scarlet Nantes Carrot (C=1oz) 1 x $4.00= $4.00
> > 2050NF-Nantes Fancy Carrot (C=1oz) 1 x $6.50= $6.50
> > 2086MK-Mokum Carrot (C=6g) 1 x $5.00= $5.00
> > 2096PH-Purple Haze Carrot (D=24g) 1 x $20.00= $20.00
> > 2098SW-Sweetness II Carrot (A=1/8oz) 1 x $1.40= $1.40
> > 2109WO-Early Wonder Tall Top Beet OG (B=1/2oz) 1 x
> > $1.70= $1.70
> > 2121RO-Red Ace Beet OG (B=1/2oz) 1 x $3.20= $3.20
> > 2147GO-Golden Detroit Beet OG (A=1/8oz) 1 x $1.50=
> > $1.50
> > 2214CB-Cherry Belle Radish (B=1/2oz) 1 x $1.00= $1.00
> > 2224EE-Easter Egg Radish (C=1oz) 1 x $3.20= $3.20
> > 2408LN-Lincoln Leek (A=1/16oz) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> > 2425BS-Bleu de Solaize Leek (B=1/8oz) 1 x $2.50= $2.50
> > 2444CW-Crystal White Wax Onion (C=1/2oz) 1 x $3.00=
> > $3.00
> > 2454EX-Expression Onion (B=1/8oz) 1 x $2.80= $2.80
> > 2472CP-Copra Onion (C=1/2oz) 1 x $8.00= $8.00
> > 2488VS-Varsity Onion (B=1/8oz) 1 x $2.60= $2.60
> > 2510SP-Space Spinach (B=1/2oz) 1 x $1.50= $1.50
> > 2512LY-Olympia Spinach (B=1/2oz) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> > 2551TO-Tyee Spinach OG (B=1/2oz) 1 x $2.00= $2.00
> > 2592NZ-New Zealand Spinach (B=1/2oz) 1 x $1.70= $1.70
> > 2712BO-Black Seeded Simpson Lettuce OG (B=4g) 1 x
> > $1.30= $1.30
> > 2722SB-Salad Bowl Lettuce (B=4g) 1 x $1.00= $1.00
> > 2731CO-Cracoviensis Lettuce OG (B=2g) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> > 2792RO-Revolution Lettuce OG (B=2g) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> > 2803TT-Tom Thumb Lettuce (B=4g) 1 x $1.00= $1.00
> > 2859MR-Majestic Red Lettuce (B=2g) 1 x $1.60= $1.60
> > 2861JO-Jericho Lettuce OG (B=2g) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> > 2886WW-Winter Wonderland Lettuce (B=2g) 1 x $1.60=
> > $1.60
> > 2921NO-Anuenue Lettuce OG (B=2g) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> > 2922RI-Red Iceburg Lettuce (B=2g) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> > 2931WW-Webbs Wonderful Lettuce (C=14g) 1 x $2.00=
> > $2.00
> > 3031FG-Fordhook Giant Chard (D=1oz) 1 x $2.40= $2.40
> > 3034PS-Gator Perpetual Spinach or Leaf Beet (C=1/2oz)
> > 1 x $2.40= $2.40
> > 3036BL-Bright Lights Chard (D=1oz) 1 x $5.50= $5.50
> > 3041RO-Ruby Red Rhubarb Chard OG (C=1/2oz) 1 x $2.50=
> > $2.50
> > 3218SP-Senposai (A=1/16oz) 1 x $1.20= $1.20
> > 3222GW-Green Wave Mustard (A=1/16oz) 1 x $0.60= $0.60
> > 3234LO-Pink Lettucy Mustard Gene Pool OG (A=1/16oz) 1
> > x $1.30= $1.30
> > 3239PO-Osaka Purple Mustard OG (A=1/16oz) 1 x $1.20=
> > $1.20
> > 3260SH-Shuko Pac Choi (B=1/8oz) 1 x $2.20= $2.20
> > 3273FJ-Fun Jen Chinese Cabbage (A=1/16oz) 1 x $1.10=
> > $1.10
> > 3292GS-Garland Serrated Chrysanthemum (B=1/8oz) 1 x
> > $2.10= $2.10
> > 3306TG-Tendergreen Broccoli (C=4g) 1 x $6.00= $6.00
> > 3308PC-Premium Crop Broccoli (C=4g) 1 x $6.00=
> > $6.00-currently on
> >  backorder
> > 3316PO-Purple Peacock Broccoli OG (B=1g) 1 x $1.80=
> > $1.80
> > 3355EJ-Early Jersey Wakefield Cabbage (B=4g) 1 x
> > $1.00= $1.00
> > 3375RP-Ruby Perfection Cabbage (B=1g) 1 x $3.00= $3.00
> > 3450KO-EvenStar Smooth Kale OG (A=1/16oz) 1 x $2.00=
> > $2.00
> > 3456RO-Red Russian Kale OG (B=4g) 1 x $1.60= $1.60
> > 3467CP-Nero di Tuscana or Cavolo Palmizio Kale (B=4g)
> > 1 x $1.50= $1.50
> > 3608SO-Imperial Star Globe Artichoke OG (C=4g) 1 x
> > $8.00= $8.00
> > 3703KO-Klari Baby Cheese Sweet Pepper OG (A=0.5g) 1 x
> > $1.60= $1.60
> > 3704PO-Peacework Sweet Pepper OG (C=1g) 1 x $3.00=
> > $3.00
> > 3706NO-King of the North Sweet Pepper OG (B=1g) 1 x
> > $1.80= $1.80
> > 3715BO-Boldog Hungarian Spice Sweet Paprika Pepper OG
> > (A=0.2g) 1 x
> >  $1.20= $1.20
> > 3735CO-Chocolate Sweet Pepper OG (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.60=
> > $1.60
> > 3740WE-Sweet Pimiento Sweet Pepper ECO (A=0.2g) 1 x
> > $1.00= $1.00
> > 3746FH-Feherozon Sweet Pepper (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.00=
> > $1.00
> > 3755HM-Ho Chi Minh Hot Pepper ECO (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.10=
> > $1.10
> > 3756BC-Bulgarian Carrot Chile Hot Pepper (A=0.5g) 1 x
> > $1.40= $1.40
> > 3761JA-Jaluv An Attitude Hot Pepper ECO (A=0.2g) 1 x
> > $1.50= $1.50
> > 3780FS-Fish Hot Pepper ECO (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.30= $1.30
> > 3783TO-Thai Hot Pepper OG (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.70= $1.70
> > 3810AC-New Ace Sweet Pepper (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.50= $1.50
> > 4008HC-Husk Cherry (B=1g) 1 x $1.50= $1.50
> > 4014VO-Verde Puebla Tomatillo OG (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.20=
> > $1.20
> > 4024SP-Oregon Spring Tomato (B=1g) 1 x $1.60= $1.60
> > 4038CO-Cosmonaut Volkov Tomato OG (B=0.4g) 1 x $2.00=
> > $2.00
> > 4059CO-Cherokee Purple Tomato OG (B=0.4g) 1 x $2.00=
> > $2.00
> > 4067RO-Rose de Berne Tomato OG (B=0.4g) 1 x $2.00=
> > $2.00
> > 4097RO-Ruby Gold Tomato OG (B=0.4g) 1 x $2.00= $2.00
> > 4418GB-Genovese Basil (B=10g) 1 x $2.00= $2.00
> > 4422MB-Mammoth Basil (B=7g) 1 x $2.50= $2.50
> > 4464BO-Sacred Basil OG (B=1g) 1 x $2.50= $2.50
> > 4470TB-Thai Basil (B=4g) 1 x $2.20= $2.20
> > 4515LO-Cilantro OG (B=4g) 1 x $2.20= $2.20
> > 4520DF-Delfino Cilantro (B=4g) 1 x $1.60= $1.60
> > 4530BU-Bouquet Dill (A=4g) 1 x $0.90= $0.90
> > 4542MM-Mammoth Dill (A=4g) 1 x $0.80= $0.80
> > 4556ZF-Zefa Fino Fennel (B=3g) 1 x $2.50= $2.50
> > 
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