[Vision2020] questions for Jeff/ was (no subject)

Fri Feb 15 08:48:42 PST 2008

Honestly, does anyone think the City or the Council gives a rat's behind what the citizens think?

All this palaver and not one single thing will be different...the money-changers will still have their day at the temple.

After almost 20 years of watching the take-over of Moscow and the destruction of what this town used to be like, I'm just sick of it!  This BB was produced to help get the citizen's voice out there and heard and who the hell cares?!  Certainly, not the Mayor or the Council or City Officials.  Its the same good-old-boys that keep getting elected and employed and the same crap getting said and the same.....everything.  NOTHING will ever get better because the citizens are simply not in the mood to really fight for what they want and the Council, City Officials (yes, that's YOU Gary and Randy) keep snowballing things through without a single care of what the citizens of this town really want or need.

Where are the citizens at the city meetings?  Where are the people in the streets, protesting what is obviously an under-the-table-dealing and (oh please don't say it!) possibly money changing hands to bums-rush a deal through that the CITIZENS DON'T WANT OR NEED?  Where is the VOICE of Moscow and why isn't it being heard SCREAMING!!!????

Well, ok then - go for it Steed and the rest of you!  You want to destroy a small community and watch the people shrivel away - you got.  Its happening as you sputter and sneak about and just plain do what's best for YOUR pockets.  Seems as if very few people will be watching much less givin' a flip about what you do, anyway.

J  :]

> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:50:10 -0800
> From: garrettmc at verizon.net
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; jeffh at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] questions for Jeff/ was (no subject)
> 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> Thanks for taking the time to dialog about Hawkins.
> 
> I emailed v2020 earlier with a series of questions I'd
> like to read your response to if you care to answer.
> 
> A little deeper then that, though, as you appear to be
> pro-growth through the corridor starting on Moscow's
> end, I'm wondering what your vision of that is.  Are
> you really excited about seeing it developed similarly
> to most other cities?
> 
> I moved to the Palouse in 1991 from LA and my parent's
> live in western Wash, so I've seen strip mall sprawl
> as far as the eye can see.  I'm always amazed at the
> development that occurs so quickly.  Personally, I
> think it's ridiculous to have 3 Walgreens within 7
> miles of each other, on top of all the other chain
> stores that seem so similar.  Do you have that sort of
> vision for the corridor?  A bunch of chain stores
> selling things you can get a few miles down the road? 
> Where does that stop?
> 
> I think Hawkins is ridiculously huge, but if it
> located closer to Pullman, so be it.  However, for a
> mall twice the size as the PEM to be built, like a
> leech, next to Moscow (we have no choice but to be on
> the border since that's where we are) seems predatory.
>  They've admitted that they want Moscow's business,
> and they swindled their way in, through their
> "agreement," while getting subsidized by Moscow
> taxpayers.  Do you think this kind of project,
> spearheaded by a huge development firm who has little
> regard for the "locals," is really necessary?
> 
> As a farmer, I am not anti-growth.  I love to grow
> things.  This leads to another reason I'm concerned
> about sprawl.  We are losing farmland all around, and
> it's not just going to come back.  There may be a day
> when we wish we had that farmland back, instead of a
> concrete monstrosity.  It seems though, that the
> almighty dollar has many people bowing down, not
> seeing that this uncontrolled "pro-growth" is really
> detrimental to us in the long run.  The growth path we
> are currently on is not sustainable, and it is
> irresponsible to continue to feed it.
> 
> Most of these chain stores are feeding the riches
> families in the world while providing low wage jobs
> with little to no benefits.  On top of that, they are
> selling things made mostly overseas, with questionable
> means of production (little to no labor or environment
> regulations).  It would be one thing if people
> supported growing our local economy sustainably,
> taking advantage of the creativity of the locals. 
> We'd be creating far more wealth if more people used
> their energies towards creating tangible assets,
> rather than focusing on retail.  How many square feet
> of retail can we possibly need?
> 
> Thanks for your time,
> 
> Garrett
> 
> ps  We are excited to be offering Community Supported
> Agriculture shares this summer for 40 people.  We just
> got our seeds today!  To excite you all for the coming
> growing season, here is a list of the varieties we
> plan to grow:
> 
> 205PO-Provider Bush Green Bean OG (B=8oz) 1 x $4.20=
> $4.20
> 210ST-Strike Bush Green Bean (B=8oz) 1 x $3.50= $3.50
> 230JD-Jade Bush Green Bean (B=8oz) 1 x $4.50= $4.50
> 292RS-Rattlesnake Pole Bean (B=8oz) 1 x $3.50= $3.50
> 297MP-Multicolored Pole Bean Mix (B=2oz) 1 x $2.80=
> $2.80
> 812DW-Dwarf White Sugar Snow Pea (B=8oz) 1 x $3.30=
> $3.30
> 818GT-Oregon Giant Snow Pea (C=1lb) 1 x $5.50= $5.50
> 826SP-Oregon Sugar Pod II Snow Pea (C=1lb) 1 x $5.20=
> $5.20
> 882SU-Sugar Ann Snap Pea (C=1lb) 1 x $6.20= $6.20
> 892NP-Sugarsnap Snap Pea (C=1lb) 1 x $6.60= $6.60
> 1244MG-Mexican Sour Gherkin Cucumber ECO (A=0.2g) 1 x
> $1.60= $1.60
> 1312MM-Marketmore 76 Slicing Cucumber (B=1/4oz) 1 x
> $1.20= $1.20
> 1382SZ-Super Zagross Middle Eastern Slicing Cucumber
> (B=1/4oz) 1 x
>  $2.40= $2.40
> 1411BZ-Black Zucchini (B=1/4oz) 1 x $1.50= $1.50
> 1504SF-Saffron Summer Squash (C=1/2oz) 1 x $2.50=
> $2.50
> 1608TQ-Table Queen Acorn Winter Squash (B=1/2oz) 1 x
> $1.50= $1.50
> 1628BB-Burgess Buttercup Winter Squash (B=1/2oz) 1 x
> $1.80= $1.80
> 1660SM-Sweet Meat Winter Squash (B=1/2oz) 1 x $1.60=
> $1.60
> 1666SP-Spaghetti Winter Squash (C=1oz) 1 x $3.00=
> $3.00
> 1680SM-Sweet Mama Buttercup Winter Squash (A=1/8oz) 1
> x $2.20= $2.20
> 1683CV-Carnival Winter Squash (B=1/4oz) 1 x $3.20=
> $3.20
> 1687ND-Nutty Delica Winter Squash (A=1/8oz) 1 x $2.20=
> $2.20
> 1702WL-Wee-B-Little Pumpkin (B=1/4oz) 1 x $3.00= $3.00
> 1702WL-Wee-B-Little Pumpkin (A=1/8oz) 1 x $1.60= $1.60
> 2018TP-Tonda di Parigi Carrot (A=1/8oz) 1 x $1.20=
> $1.20
> 2042SN-Scarlet Nantes Carrot (C=1oz) 1 x $4.00= $4.00
> 2050NF-Nantes Fancy Carrot (C=1oz) 1 x $6.50= $6.50
> 2086MK-Mokum Carrot (C=6g) 1 x $5.00= $5.00
> 2096PH-Purple Haze Carrot (D=24g) 1 x $20.00= $20.00
> 2098SW-Sweetness II Carrot (A=1/8oz) 1 x $1.40= $1.40
> 2109WO-Early Wonder Tall Top Beet OG (B=1/2oz) 1 x
> $1.70= $1.70
> 2121RO-Red Ace Beet OG (B=1/2oz) 1 x $3.20= $3.20
> 2147GO-Golden Detroit Beet OG (A=1/8oz) 1 x $1.50=
> $1.50
> 2214CB-Cherry Belle Radish (B=1/2oz) 1 x $1.00= $1.00
> 2224EE-Easter Egg Radish (C=1oz) 1 x $3.20= $3.20
> 2408LN-Lincoln Leek (A=1/16oz) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> 2425BS-Bleu de Solaize Leek (B=1/8oz) 1 x $2.50= $2.50
> 2444CW-Crystal White Wax Onion (C=1/2oz) 1 x $3.00=
> $3.00
> 2454EX-Expression Onion (B=1/8oz) 1 x $2.80= $2.80
> 2472CP-Copra Onion (C=1/2oz) 1 x $8.00= $8.00
> 2488VS-Varsity Onion (B=1/8oz) 1 x $2.60= $2.60
> 2510SP-Space Spinach (B=1/2oz) 1 x $1.50= $1.50
> 2512LY-Olympia Spinach (B=1/2oz) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> 2551TO-Tyee Spinach OG (B=1/2oz) 1 x $2.00= $2.00
> 2592NZ-New Zealand Spinach (B=1/2oz) 1 x $1.70= $1.70
> 2712BO-Black Seeded Simpson Lettuce OG (B=4g) 1 x
> $1.30= $1.30
> 2722SB-Salad Bowl Lettuce (B=4g) 1 x $1.00= $1.00
> 2731CO-Cracoviensis Lettuce OG (B=2g) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> 2792RO-Revolution Lettuce OG (B=2g) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> 2803TT-Tom Thumb Lettuce (B=4g) 1 x $1.00= $1.00
> 2859MR-Majestic Red Lettuce (B=2g) 1 x $1.60= $1.60
> 2861JO-Jericho Lettuce OG (B=2g) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> 2886WW-Winter Wonderland Lettuce (B=2g) 1 x $1.60=
> $1.60
> 2921NO-Anuenue Lettuce OG (B=2g) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> 2922RI-Red Iceburg Lettuce (B=2g) 1 x $1.80= $1.80
> 2931WW-Webbs Wonderful Lettuce (C=14g) 1 x $2.00=
> $2.00
> 3031FG-Fordhook Giant Chard (D=1oz) 1 x $2.40= $2.40
> 3034PS-Gator Perpetual Spinach or Leaf Beet (C=1/2oz)
> 1 x $2.40= $2.40
> 3036BL-Bright Lights Chard (D=1oz) 1 x $5.50= $5.50
> 3041RO-Ruby Red Rhubarb Chard OG (C=1/2oz) 1 x $2.50=
> $2.50
> 3218SP-Senposai (A=1/16oz) 1 x $1.20= $1.20
> 3222GW-Green Wave Mustard (A=1/16oz) 1 x $0.60= $0.60
> 3234LO-Pink Lettucy Mustard Gene Pool OG (A=1/16oz) 1
> x $1.30= $1.30
> 3239PO-Osaka Purple Mustard OG (A=1/16oz) 1 x $1.20=
> $1.20
> 3260SH-Shuko Pac Choi (B=1/8oz) 1 x $2.20= $2.20
> 3273FJ-Fun Jen Chinese Cabbage (A=1/16oz) 1 x $1.10=
> $1.10
> 3292GS-Garland Serrated Chrysanthemum (B=1/8oz) 1 x
> $2.10= $2.10
> 3306TG-Tendergreen Broccoli (C=4g) 1 x $6.00= $6.00
> 3308PC-Premium Crop Broccoli (C=4g) 1 x $6.00=
> $6.00-currently on
>  backorder
> 3316PO-Purple Peacock Broccoli OG (B=1g) 1 x $1.80=
> $1.80
> 3355EJ-Early Jersey Wakefield Cabbage (B=4g) 1 x
> $1.00= $1.00
> 3375RP-Ruby Perfection Cabbage (B=1g) 1 x $3.00= $3.00
> 3450KO-EvenStar Smooth Kale OG (A=1/16oz) 1 x $2.00=
> $2.00
> 3456RO-Red Russian Kale OG (B=4g) 1 x $1.60= $1.60
> 3467CP-Nero di Tuscana or Cavolo Palmizio Kale (B=4g)
> 1 x $1.50= $1.50
> 3608SO-Imperial Star Globe Artichoke OG (C=4g) 1 x
> $8.00= $8.00
> 3703KO-Klari Baby Cheese Sweet Pepper OG (A=0.5g) 1 x
> $1.60= $1.60
> 3704PO-Peacework Sweet Pepper OG (C=1g) 1 x $3.00=
> $3.00
> 3706NO-King of the North Sweet Pepper OG (B=1g) 1 x
> $1.80= $1.80
> 3715BO-Boldog Hungarian Spice Sweet Paprika Pepper OG
> (A=0.2g) 1 x
>  $1.20= $1.20
> 3735CO-Chocolate Sweet Pepper OG (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.60=
> $1.60
> 3740WE-Sweet Pimiento Sweet Pepper ECO (A=0.2g) 1 x
> $1.00= $1.00
> 3746FH-Feherozon Sweet Pepper (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.00=
> $1.00
> 3755HM-Ho Chi Minh Hot Pepper ECO (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.10=
> $1.10
> 3756BC-Bulgarian Carrot Chile Hot Pepper (A=0.5g) 1 x
> $1.40= $1.40
> 3761JA-Jaluv An Attitude Hot Pepper ECO (A=0.2g) 1 x
> $1.50= $1.50
> 3780FS-Fish Hot Pepper ECO (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.30= $1.30
> 3783TO-Thai Hot Pepper OG (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.70= $1.70
> 3810AC-New Ace Sweet Pepper (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.50= $1.50
> 4008HC-Husk Cherry (B=1g) 1 x $1.50= $1.50
> 4014VO-Verde Puebla Tomatillo OG (A=0.2g) 1 x $1.20=
> $1.20
> 4024SP-Oregon Spring Tomato (B=1g) 1 x $1.60= $1.60
> 4038CO-Cosmonaut Volkov Tomato OG (B=0.4g) 1 x $2.00=
> $2.00
> 4059CO-Cherokee Purple Tomato OG (B=0.4g) 1 x $2.00=
> $2.00
> 4067RO-Rose de Berne Tomato OG (B=0.4g) 1 x $2.00=
> $2.00
> 4097RO-Ruby Gold Tomato OG (B=0.4g) 1 x $2.00= $2.00
> 4418GB-Genovese Basil (B=10g) 1 x $2.00= $2.00
> 4422MB-Mammoth Basil (B=7g) 1 x $2.50= $2.50
> 4464BO-Sacred Basil OG (B=1g) 1 x $2.50= $2.50
> 4470TB-Thai Basil (B=4g) 1 x $2.20= $2.20
> 4515LO-Cilantro OG (B=4g) 1 x $2.20= $2.20
> 4520DF-Delfino Cilantro (B=4g) 1 x $1.60= $1.60
> 4530BU-Bouquet Dill (A=4g) 1 x $0.90= $0.90
> 4542MM-Mammoth Dill (A=4g) 1 x $0.80= $0.80
> 4556ZF-Zefa Fino Fennel (B=3g) 1 x $2.50= $2.50
> 
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