[Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Thu Dec 18 06:11:06 PST 2008
Typical Donovan:
First make an incorrect statement, in this case calling an Iraqi a foreigner in his own country.
Then when this is pointed out, shift the subject, in this case the nonsensical sovereignty argument. Our democracy is lost because of two shoes? Ridiculous.
Third, when someone disagrees with this, launch personal attacks that are lies and nonsense. You can't prove a single claim you make against me because you've made it all up. You got nothing, Donovan, nothing but your loud empty-headed yelling.
You accuse me of supporting expediency? BS. You're the guy willing to ignore laws to hold 'accused terrorists' forever and you accuse me of being expedient? BS.
You're not just full of crap, you're covered with it.
Sunil
> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:50:58 -0800
> From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
>
> Sunil,
>
> I don't have to make stuff up, you provide plenty. You throw so many red herrings there must be a Great Lake emptied of them.
>
> You move off the topic, and attack something so irrelevant to the issue in hopes that nobody notices.
>
> You said, in no uncertain terms, you are not concerned about the sovereignty of the United States. That was my point, you don't care. I do.
>
> Your primary argument to me is not about a people's right to elect leaders without them being attacked or harassed.
>
> You appear to ALWAYS enjoy taking the side of the criminal over the victim. In fact, I cannot think of a time when you have not.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Donovan
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
> > To: "vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:51 PM
> > You must have missed the part where I said I don't
> > support throwing shoes at Presidents. That would include
> > Bush. But go ahead and make stuff up; it's your strong
> > suit.
> >
> > I don't think this one incident will lead to Bush doing
> > an appreciably worse job.
> >
> > I look forward to your next discussion of what is - How did
> > you put it? - what is 'morally and ethically
> > important.'
> >
> > Sunil
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:45:39 -0800
> > > From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President
> > Bush
> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > >
> > > Sunil,
> > >
> > > The United States, as any nation's people, should
> > have the unalienable right to democratically elect its
> > leaders and representatives without them being assaulted or
> > harassed by the people of another country. What is the point
> > of a democracy if the elected leaders are just harassed,
> > assaulted, or killed while performing their duties?
> > >
> > > You always present yourself to me as someone that
> > ignores what is morally and ethically important for the sake
> > of whatever is expedient for your cause at the time.
> > >
> > > You hate Bush, and as far as I can tell, and most of
> > his policies, so you are shoving side a very basic and
> > important right of people for the justification of attacking
> > a man you dislike. No doubt your tune would change if it
> > were a more serious assault against a leader you liked.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Donovan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sunil Ramalingam
> > <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Sunil Ramalingam
> > <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at
> > President Bush
> > > > To: "vision 2020"
> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 5:34 PM
> > > > Donovan,
> > > >
> > > > I don't give a rat's ass about this
> > guy's
> > > > citizenship; now that's a red herring. I can
> > see that
> > > > he wasn't attacked by a foreigner, since it
> > looks like
> > > > the guy was an Iraqi in his own country.
> > > >
> > > > I am perturbed that he was able to get the second
> > shoe off,
> > > > and I don't recommend people throw shoes at
> > presidents,
> > > > or most other people. I also don't think
> > they should be
> > > > killed for doing it.
> > > >
> > > > What I am least concerned about, and what I find
> > > > remarkable, is the notion that our sovereignty
> > was
> > > > threatened. When we start showing respect for
> > the
> > > > sovereignty of other states, I may come to see
> > our own
> > > > sovereignty has a delicate flower in need of
> > protection.
> > > > You can keep repeating your concern, and I'll
> > still find
> > > > it either meaningless or ludicrous. Important
> > issue my foot.
> > > > That guy wasn't making a statement about
> > sovereignty,
> > > > he was illustrating his view of Bush.
> > > >
> > > > Worrying that our sovereignty was somehow
> > threatened
> > > > strikes me like worrying about Rush
> > Limbaugh's ego
> > > > should he hear a criticism of his views.
> > > >
> > > > As far as tempting us, apparently they did that
> > by having
> > > > oil under their ground.
> > > >
> > > > Sunil
> > > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:01:52 -0800
> > > > From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at
> > President Bush
> > > >
> > > > Dave and Sunil,
> > > >
> > > > What is clear is that you are not bothered by an
> > attempt to
> > > > assault the President of the United States by
> > someone that
> > > > is not a US Citizen.
> > > >
> > > > It doesn't matter if the US President is
> > assaulted by a
> > > > foreigner on his soil or ours. It is still an
> > attack on US
> > > > Sovereignty. That is the point. If you missed
> > that, I will
> > > > repeat it; It doesn't matter if the US
> > President is
> > > > assaulted by a foreigner on his soil or ours. Is
> > is still an
> > > > attack on US Sovereignty.
> > > >
> > > > I think focusing on the fact that the US base was
> > in Iraq,
> > > > is a big smelly red herring intentionally thrown
> > into to the
> > > > argument to avert away from the important issue
> > of US
> > > > security and sovereignty, which is what is being
> > challenged.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And yes, Sunil, Middle Eastern nations do need to
> > be
> > > > careful about how they behave because the US has
> > no qualms
> > > > about blowing people up or invading nations. It
> > is idiotic
> > > > for a people to tempt and taunt those with the
> > biggest
> > > > weapons that are also willing to use them.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Donovan
> > > >
> > > > --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Dave
> > <tiedye at turbonet.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Dave <tiedye at turbonet.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at
> > President Bush
> > > > To: "vision2020"
> > <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:14 AM
> > > >
> > > > Donovan Arnold wrote:
> > > > > I meant, Sunil, that the guy who attacked
> > the US
> > > > President was not a US
> > > > Citizen. I guess you can play semantics if you
> > want, but I
> > > > think my meaning was
> > > > clear.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Quite clear: you think that the USA owns the
> > world.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:
> > > > McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.
> > > >
> > > >
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