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Typical Donovan:<br><br>First make an incorrect statement, in this case calling an Iraqi a foreigner in his own country. <br><br>Then when this is pointed out, shift the subject, in this case the nonsensical sovereignty argument. Our democracy is lost because of two shoes? Ridiculous. <br><br>Third, when someone disagrees with this, launch personal attacks that are lies and nonsense. You can't prove a single claim you make against me because you've made it all up. You got nothing, Donovan, nothing but your loud empty-headed yelling.<br><br>You accuse me of supporting expediency? BS. You're the guy willing to ignore laws to hold 'accused terrorists' forever and you accuse me of being expedient? BS.<br><br>You're not just full of crap, you're covered with it.<br><br>Sunil<br><br>> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:50:58 -0800<br>> From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush<br>> To: vision2020@moscow.com; sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>> <br>> Sunil,<br>> <br>> I don't have to make stuff up, you provide plenty. You throw so many red herrings there must be a Great Lake emptied of them. <br>> <br>> You move off the topic, and attack something so irrelevant to the issue in hopes that nobody notices. <br>> <br>> You said, in no uncertain terms, you are not concerned about the sovereignty of the United States. That was my point, you don't care. I do. <br>> <br>> Your primary argument to me is not about a people's right to elect leaders without them being attacked or harassed. <br>> <br>> You appear to ALWAYS enjoy taking the side of the criminal over the victim. In fact, I cannot think of a time when you have not. <br>> <br>> Best Regards,<br>> <br>> Donovan<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> <br>> > From: Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com><br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush<br>> > To: "vision 2020" <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:51 PM<br>> > You must have missed the part where I said I don't<br>> > support throwing shoes at Presidents. That would include<br>> > Bush. But go ahead and make stuff up; it's your strong<br>> > suit.<br>> > <br>> > I don't think this one incident will lead to Bush doing<br>> > an appreciably worse job. <br>> > <br>> > I look forward to your next discussion of what is - How did<br>> > you put it? - what is 'morally and ethically<br>> > important.' <br>> > <br>> > Sunil<br>> > <br>> > > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:45:39 -0800<br>> > > From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President<br>> > Bush<br>> > > To: vision2020@moscow.com; sunilramalingam@hotmail.com<br>> > > <br>> > > Sunil,<br>> > > <br>> > > The United States, as any nation's people, should<br>> > have the unalienable right to democratically elect its<br>> > leaders and representatives without them being assaulted or<br>> > harassed by the people of another country. What is the point<br>> > of a democracy if the elected leaders are just harassed,<br>> > assaulted, or killed while performing their duties?<br>> > > <br>> > > You always present yourself to me as someone that<br>> > ignores what is morally and ethically important for the sake<br>> > of whatever is expedient for your cause at the time. <br>> > > <br>> > > You hate Bush, and as far as I can tell, and most of<br>> > his policies, so you are shoving side a very basic and<br>> > important right of people for the justification of attacking<br>> > a man you dislike. No doubt your tune would change if it<br>> > were a more serious assault against a leader you liked. <br>> > > <br>> > > Best Regards,<br>> > > <br>> > > Donovan<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Sunil Ramalingam<br>> > <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> > > <br>> > > > From: Sunil Ramalingam<br>> > <sunilramalingam@hotmail.com><br>> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at<br>> > President Bush<br>> > > > To: "vision 2020"<br>> > <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> > > > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 5:34 PM<br>> > > > Donovan,<br>> > > > <br>> > > > I don't give a rat's ass about this<br>> > guy's<br>> > > > citizenship; now that's a red herring. I can<br>> > see that<br>> > > > he wasn't attacked by a foreigner, since it<br>> > looks like<br>> > > > the guy was an Iraqi in his own country.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > I am perturbed that he was able to get the second<br>> > shoe off,<br>> > > > and I don't recommend people throw shoes at<br>> > presidents,<br>> > > > or most other people. I also don't think<br>> > they should be<br>> > > > killed for doing it.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > What I am least concerned about, and what I find<br>> > > > remarkable, is the notion that our sovereignty<br>> > was<br>> > > > threatened. When we start showing respect for<br>> > the<br>> > > > sovereignty of other states, I may come to see<br>> > our own<br>> > > > sovereignty has a delicate flower in need of<br>> > protection. <br>> > > > You can keep repeating your concern, and I'll<br>> > still find<br>> > > > it either meaningless or ludicrous. Important<br>> > issue my foot.<br>> > > > That guy wasn't making a statement about<br>> > sovereignty,<br>> > > > he was illustrating his view of Bush.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > Worrying that our sovereignty was somehow<br>> > threatened<br>> > > > strikes me like worrying about Rush<br>> > Limbaugh's ego<br>> > > > should he hear a criticism of his views.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > As far as tempting us, apparently they did that<br>> > by having<br>> > > > oil under their ground. <br>> > > > <br>> > > > Sunil<br>> > > > <br>> > > > Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:01:52 -0800<br>> > > > From: donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com<br>> > > > To: vision2020@moscow.com; tiedye@turbonet.com<br>> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at<br>> > President Bush<br>> > > > <br>> > > > Dave and Sunil,<br>> > > > <br>> > > > What is clear is that you are not bothered by an<br>> > attempt to<br>> > > > assault the President of the United States by<br>> > someone that<br>> > > > is not a US Citizen.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > It doesn't matter if the US President is<br>> > assaulted by a<br>> > > > foreigner on his soil or ours. It is still an<br>> > attack on US<br>> > > > Sovereignty. That is the point. If you missed<br>> > that, I will<br>> > > > repeat it; It doesn't matter if the US<br>> > President is<br>> > > > assaulted by a foreigner on his soil or ours. Is<br>> > is still an<br>> > > > attack on US Sovereignty.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > I think focusing on the fact that the US base was<br>> > in Iraq,<br>> > > > is a big smelly red herring intentionally thrown<br>> > into to the<br>> > > > argument to avert away from the important issue<br>> > of US<br>> > > > security and sovereignty, which is what is being<br>> > challenged.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > <br>> > > > And yes, Sunil, Middle Eastern nations do need to<br>> > be<br>> > > > careful about how they behave because the US has<br>> > no qualms<br>> > > > about blowing people up or invading nations. It<br>> > is idiotic<br>> > > > for a people to tempt and taunt those with the<br>> > biggest<br>> > > > weapons that are also willing to use them. <br>> > > > <br>> > > > Best Regards,<br>> > > > <br>> > > > Donovan<br>> > > > <br>> > > > --- On Tue, 12/16/08, Dave<br>> > <tiedye@turbonet.com><br>> > > > wrote:<br>> > > > <br>> > > > From: Dave <tiedye@turbonet.com><br>> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at<br>> > President Bush<br>> > > > To: "vision2020"<br>> > <vision2020@moscow.com><br>> > > > Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:14 AM<br>> > > > <br>> > > > Donovan Arnold wrote:<br>> > > > > I meant, Sunil, that the guy who attacked<br>> > the US<br>> > > > President was not a US<br>> > > > Citizen. I guess you can play semantics if you<br>> > want, but I<br>> > > > think my meaning was<br>> > > > clear. <br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > <br>> > > > Quite clear: you think that the USA owns the<br>> > world.<br>> > > > <br>> > > > Dave<br>> > > > <br>> > > > <br>> > > > -- <br>> > > > Windows, OSX, or Linux is the same choice as:<br>> > > > McDonalds, Burger King, or a (real) Co-Op.<br>> > > > <br>> > > ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > > > List services made available by First Step<br>> > Internet, <br>> > > > serving the communities of the Palouse since<br>> > 1994. <br>> > > > http://www.fsr.net <br>> > <br>> > > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > > > <br>> > > ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > > > List services made available by First Step<br>> > Internet, <br>> > > > serving the communities of the Palouse since<br>> > 1994. <br>> > > > http://www.fsr.net <br>> > <br>> > > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > > <br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made available by First Step Internet, <br>> > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994. <br>> > http://www.fsr.net <br>> > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > =======================================================<br>> <br>> <br>> <br></body>
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