[Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush

[Sunil Ramalingam]

Donovan,

I don't give a rat's ass about this guy's citizenship; now that's a red herring.  I can see that he wasn't attacked by a foreigner, since it looks like the guy was an Iraqi in his own country.

I am perturbed that he was able to get the second shoe off, and I don't recommend people throw shoes at presidents, or most other people.  I also don't think they should be killed for doing it.

What I am least concerned about, and what I find remarkable, is the notion that our sovereignty was threatened.  When we start showing respect for the sovereignty of other states, I may come to see our own sovereignty has a delicate flower in need of protection.  You can keep repeating your concern, and I'll still find it either meaningless or ludicrous. Important issue my foot.  That guy wasn't making a statement about sovereignty, he was illustrating his view of Bush.

Worrying that our sovereignty was somehow threatened strikes me like worrying about Rush Limbaugh's ego should he hear a criticism of his views.

As far as tempting us, apparently they did that by having oil under their ground.  

Sunil

Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:01:52 -0800
From: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com; tiedye at turbonet.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush

Dave and Sunil,
 
What is clear is that you are not bothered by an attempt to assault the President of the United States by someone that is not a US Citizen.
 
It doesn't matter if the US President is assaulted by a foreigner on his soil or ours. It is still an attack on US Sovereignty. That is the point. If you missed that, I will repeat it; It doesn't matter if the US President is assaulted by a foreigner on his soil or ours. Is is still an attack on US Sovereignty.
 
I think focusing on the fact that the US base was in Iraq, is a big smelly red herring intentionally thrown into to the argument to avert away from the important issue of US security and sovereignty, which is what is being challenged. 
 
And yes, Sunil, Middle Eastern nations do need to be careful about how they behave because the US has no qualms about blowing people up or invading nations. It is idiotic for a people to tempt and taunt those with the biggest weapons that are also willing to use them.  
 
Best Regards,
 
Donovan

--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Dave <tiedye at turbonet.com> wrote:

From: Dave <tiedye at turbonet.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Shoes thrown at President Bush
To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 8:14 AM

Donovan Arnold wrote:
> I meant, Sunil, that the guy who attacked the US President was not a US
Citizen. I guess you can play semantics if you want, but I think my meaning was
clear. 
>
>   
Quite clear: you think that the USA owns the world.

Dave


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