[Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience

Sun Aug 31 20:38:15 PDT 2008

Excellent points, Shawn.   It's been a real hoot to hear the Republicans try to defend Palin as the most experienced of any particular VP possibility, more so than Obama and Biden, just as they did a few years ago with "the most experienced jurist in the land, Clarence Thomas," and Dan Quayle, for whom "handsome" was supposed to cover a multitude of political and intellectual failings.

As Doug Wilson says, though, she is pretty ("a pippin"), and, quoting him further, she has the "hot school marm"-loving vote locked up.

Keely

From: shawnc at outtrack.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:56:51 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience

For every label that says Palin has "executive 
experience" and Obama does not, the opposite can be said of "national 
experience".  Which does a president need more of?  But either of 
these are just labels or titles - you must look more deeply because "experience" 
is a very ambiguous term.

For Obama's "present" votes in Illinois, voting 
"present" in Illinois isn't the same a voting present in other states - if that 
state even allows for such a vote.  In Illinois, voting "present" is the 
counted the same as voting "no".

Palin: 20 months as governor of the 3rd least 
populous state in the US, before that a part time mayor and city councilwoman 
for a town of less than 9,000; Obama: Senator for the 5th most populous state in 
the US for a little less than 4 years where he has written 890 bills and 
cosponsored 1096, before that state legislator for again the 5th most populous 
state on the country for 7 years where he sponsored over 820 bills, and taught 
constitutional law for 12 years at the University of Chicago Law School.  
Before her being named to McCain's ticket, the talk of her was moving UP to 
Senator or Alaska's lone House Representative.  

She has a BA in Sports Journalism which would 
disqualify her for being considered for most school principal or other executive 
positions. Obama has BA in International Relations from Columbia University. He 
later graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991. 
That’s top of his class at arguably the best school in the country/world. While 
at Harvard he was also president of the Harvard Law Review.

My questions to McCain-
 How did you determine that she was the best 
choice when only meeting with her once and talking to her once or 
twice?
 If you wanted a female running-mate, why did 
you not choose the more experienced Kay Bailey Hutchison?
 If Obama had chosen someone like Palin, what 
would you be saying about her?

Shawn

From: Jeff Harkins 
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 8:15 AM
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com 

Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy 
Experience

Neither does the President.  Remember Donovan, the President 
proposes, the Congress disposes.

I have been unable to document Obama's 
genius.  Perhaps you could lead me to his peer-reviewed writings on the 
Constitution and international law.  

As to Palin, she does seem to 
have an impressive record in dealing with corruption in her state.  That 
suggests to me an ability to get things done.  Taking on a status quo and 
prevailing - that is significant.

I agree with you that leadership is 
important, but leadership has many dimensions.  IMHO, Obama has yet to 
reveal himself.  If press reports are accurate, Obama voted present some 
163 times as a state legislator.  His record as a Senator is equally 
dismal. Again, if press reports are accurate, he has spent the majority of his 
time as a senator running to be a presidential candidate - most of his efforts 
prior to the primary season were all on our nickel.  Many of his past 
affiliations are disturbing - Ayers, Wright, etc. And so on and so on.

It 
is shaping up to be an interesting race - and McCain/Palin seem to be holding 
their own. And from the vitriolic and unfounded assertions being tossed around 
right here in our own river city, I can safely predict that by the time the 
rhetoric ends and the votes begin, there will be virtually no stone 
unturned.  We will all have a pretty good idea about all four candidates. 
Exciting huh!

See ya on the stump DJ.

At 10:44 PM 8/30/2008, you 
wrote:

Palin has zero foreign policy 
  experience. She has no authority as a governor to conduct international 
  treaties or regulate international commerce. 

Obama is not much 
  more experienced than Palin. But Obama is a genius, has a JD degree from 
  Harvard, and degree from Columbia. He is an expert on the constitution, 
  international law, and has been able to do something that no other person has, 
  politically defeat the Clintons in an election. Other countries love Obama, 
  they have never even heard of Palin. Obama commands crowds ten times the size 
  of the town Palin governed. How long someone has sat in a chair or held a 
  position is not the skill set needed to be President. Leadership is the most 
  important aspect of a President, and Obama has that in spades. 

Best Regards,

Donovan

--- On Sat, 
  8/30/08, Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com> wrote:

    From: Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com>

    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Gov. Palin Foreign Policy Experience

    To: "Chasuk" <chasuk at gmail.com>

    Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com

    Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 10:29 PM

    Thanks!  You have such a way with words and such respect
for your 

neighbors.  Perhaps you have spent entirely too much time in
Warcraft.

My mistake on your European heritage.  From a correspondence a
year 

or so ago, I had been led to believe that you transmigrated from 

Europe to US.  You have made several references to how much you 

prefer Europe to the US.  It does make me wonder, if you love
the UK 

so much, why are you here?

At 08:28 PM 8/30/2008, you wrote:

>On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 20:09, Jeff Harkins
<jeffh at moscow.com> wrote:

>

> > Obviously better training than you, and common sense just
comes as

part of

> > our kit - but then you are European, huh!

>

>I'm European?  Since when?  I'd better get my passport
changed.

>

> > To my Canadian friends, the author of the original message
does not

> > represent the views of most Americans.  We have
absolute respect for

your

> > sovereignty, for your peaceful demeanor and for the
opportunity to

trade

> > with you.

>

>I have great respect and affection for Canadians, I just don't
have

>any respect for your idiocy.

>

>Chas

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