[Vision2020] Health care

Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
Mon Apr 21 19:52:50 PDT 2008

  The reason that charity doesn't pay for medical care of the poor is because we charge outrageous rates for medical care.
  No, my band-aid example is grounded in reality, although exaggerated to make a point. Hospitals overcharge the uninsured, that is a fact. The reason they do this is because they know that they will only recover a certain percentage of the actual cost of providing them care. This strategy obviously hurts the poor more than those that are wealthier and can afford health insurance.
  Health insurance companies enable doctors and health care providers to charge fees not otherwise affordable to 90% of the public, and putting the poor into medical bankruptcy. 
  You cannot apply the Canadian system of health care to that of the United States. It would not work. Greed is the simple reason for our health care system being unaffordable to the average citizen, it is that simple. 
  Best Regards,

Ralph Nielsen <nielsen at uidaho.edu> wrote:
Dear Donovan,

I don't know where you get these ideas, but they are not grounded on 
reality. If you imagine that charity will pay for the poor, why are 
over 40 million Americans without health care insurance of any kind? 
And why are millions more bankrupted by doctor and hospital bills 
that their insurance companies refuse to pay? I think your band-aid 
example is absurd.

For some first-hand information on how universal medicare works in 
the Province of British Columbia, please read the first two articles 
on this web site. They are written by an American citizen who lives 
in BC and is familiar with both systems. And please note, Donovan, 
the Canadian system does not benefit the rich while hurting the poor, 
as you claim below. Please get your facts first.



Universal Health Care, and Universal Health Coverage are two 
totally different things. Forcing people to buy health insurance 
doesn't cure anybody, it just makes doctors and insurance companies 
even wealthier than they are.

I am 100% against forced health insurance purchasing, because it 
will not help the poor and will just be another tax benefiting the 
rich while hurting the poor.

The problem is not how can we pay for a $60 band-aid, but rather, 
why we cannot reduce the cost of the band-aid to 60 cents, or even 
$6.00. If you bring down the cost of the band-aid, the middle class 
can afford health insurance and charity can afford to cover the poor.

Best Regards,


Ralph Nielsen wrote:
I thought it was a very informative program in that it covered a
variety of systems for universal coverage. Unfortunately, most
Americans seem to have been indoctrinated with the idea the 
health insurance is "socialized medicine," and therefore to be
avoided like poison A couple of months ago a repairman at my house
used that term with an air of dislike. So I asked hem what he meant
by that term. He replied that it means that all doctors will be
working for the government.

So I told him about my Canadian brother, who is a self-made
millionaire, and lives in the Okanagan Valley, just north of the
Washington border. About a year ago he had a hip replacement. He 
to wait less than a month because he was willing to go to a younger
doctor instead of an older, more popular one. Most Canadian doctors
do not work for the government, they work for themselves. Only the
insurance is paid by the government, like our Medicare, and ALL
residents are covered, not just the rich, as down here. This is 
for by income taxes, which, of course, are based on ability to pay,
and everybody is covered, regardless of income.

Last month there was a provincial election in Alberta, where the
Conservative Party has been in power for 37 years. In February they
called for a provincial election on March 3. I listened on my
internet radio to a 2-hour debate between the party leaders:
Conservative, Liberal, New Democratic (like the British Labour
Party), and a small new party called the Alberta Wild Rose Party,
which sounded like dogmatic libertarians. There were frequent
questions about problems with health care but no one, not even the
libertarian, proposed that their "socialized" medicine be scrapped
and Alberta return to the old American-style system they had 
In fact, it was the Conservatives who had set it up in the first 

Later, on March 3, the Conservatives were not only returned to 
they gained 11 new seats! Wouldn't it be nice if our conservatives
learned something from the Province of Alberta?

Ralph Nielsen

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