[Vision2020] "liberal old men"

Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com
Wed Sep 26 17:11:01 PDT 2007

Excellent, keely.


And speaking of blogs . . .




Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"If I wanted to overhear every tedious scrap of brain static rattling around
in your head, I'd read your blog."

- Bill Maher 


From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of keely emerinemix
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 4:19 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] "liberal old men"


>From the bubbling depths of intellectual foment known as "Right-Mind,"
Christ Church Elder Dale Courtney's blog :

In noting today that it was five years ago that the topless-in-Moscow issue
came to prominence with the refusal to repeal the City's anti-public nudity
ordinance, Courtney sagely affirms that "liberal old men" wanting to look at
barebreasted young women was the impetus behind the formation of the Moscow
Civic Association.   And yes, Dale, I realize you probably don't mean that
literally -- I'm sure you think they also were motivated by hatred of all
that's good and decent in society, wanting to replace it with the horrors of
feminized men, lite beer, and mandatory bicycle helmets for all.  I know you
hold the MCA in contempt, and I believe you said exactly what you meant.  

Which is more than a little odd, coming from a man who uses "Studly" as his
geocaching nickname.   And it's especially ironic, given that you serve a
pastor who, as editor of a "Christian" magazine, Credenda/Agenda, oversaw
the publishing of a cover depicting a gorgeous woman fawning over a gorgeous
man with battery cables attached to his nipples.  You affirm the work of
that same pastor, the one who chortled and applauded after another elder and
NSA fellow wrote an April Fool's Day press release -- on purloined UI
letterhead -- announcing a feminist lecture on "The Topless/Bottomless
Duality" in academia, a response to a local controversy that did nothing
more than widen the circle of immature guys who reveled in the chance to
contribute to the titty humor that permeated Moscow five years ago.  (If
this seems inconsistent with the values proclaimed at New St. Andrews, the
Kirk's paean to classic pedagogy, it ought to.  On the other hand, it's
entirely consistent with the behaviors of this particular group of fatuous
fellows ...).  I would be remiss if I didn't reminisce, too, about that
other knee-slapper -- the "HOOTERS" sign some skylarking Trinitarians draped
over the "Welcome to Moscow" sign on the west entrance of town during that
time.  In short, the points I'm making -- ooh!  ooh!  wouldn't it be funny
if I, a woman, said "I have two points" ! -- are that Dale is remarkably
enmeshed with a group that has a pronounced preference for boob jokes, and
is remarkably blithe in condemning MCA, given your allegiances.  

Yep, it appears that Dale knows an awful lot about men -- liberal OR
conservative -- and the jollies they get from the sight, thought, or
depiction of the female breast.  What puzzles me is why this paragon of
Christian leadership is more bothered by liberals than by leaders of his
church acting like boys whose "future men" pursuit  appears to be a lost



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