[Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered

Sat Sep 22 20:05:43 PDT 2007

And once again you are in error. I would have been more then happy enough to let the young idiot go on all night long. My question for you was simply where the line is. Clearly, a question you don't have an answer for.

Remember that this was a function of, by, and for democrats. For you and yours to rant and rail because I agree with one of those three strikes me as laughable.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered

> I'm not talking about any other incident.  This incident right here was a 
> political speech with questions invited.  This was a violation of the 
> student's rights.
> 
> It's obvious your only problem with the state action is that they didn't use 
> large enough goons.  I guess we differ.
> 
> Sunil
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>>To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered
>>Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:06:09 -0700
>>
>>Now I'm afraid it's you that is deliberately misconstruing a point. I am 
>>"choosing" to stick to nothing. I most assuredly did not accuse you of 
>>"supporting state action to squelch political speech." I was attempting to 
>>determine where you think the line is to be drawn. You might note the 
>>question marks sprinkled through out my posts.
>>
>>You apparently believe that the kid who was tazered had every right to not 
>>follow the rules set out at the event Kerry spoke at. By your standard 
>>should he have been allowed to go on for another 15 minutes? An hour? Till 
>>the cows came home? What about if instead of a topic that is near and dear 
>>to your heart he had elected to carry on about repealing the 13th and 14th 
>>amendment? That would still fall under the umbrella of political speech 
>>after all. Or does that take the discussion that extra centimeter and 
>>become the dreaded "Hate Speech." Abhorred by all and protected by none.
>>
>>Candidates at a debate have rules laid out in advance stipulating time 
>>limits. If they egregiously exceed these limits the moderator will cut them 
>>off and if ness kill their mike. Is this a constitutional travesty?
>>
>>How about the AARP event that Ms. Hovey announced earlier today. If I jump 
>>up and commence a 90 minute conservative rant about the evils of the 
>>current Mayor and council, even though the event schedule has been clearly 
>>laid out, will that be just ducky by you? Political speech at a political 
>>event after all.
>>
>>Nice try on the "I was six" dodge. I was 10. At least a dozen years before 
>>I started to be aware of anything that didn't involve girls and debauchery. 
>>We've both been to school. You write as though you may have been paying 
>>attention. It's not as though the events surrounding the 1968 democratic 
>>convention in Chicago were an obscure, seldom mentioned event. The whole 
>>Chicago 7 situation revolved around the notion of violent demonstration as 
>>political speech at what was a decidedly political event. Still diggen' the 
>>all's fair speech wise at a political gathering?
>>
>>Just so there's no mistaking my intent this time around, the point I am 
>>making, and the question I am asking is where do you draw the line? Oh, and 
>>for the record I did not tell or challenge "Andy to find support for his 
>>statement," I told him flat out there was none to be had. Subtle difference 
>>I know and, I suspect, you know as well. It just wouldn't have made your 
>>case quite as well to have been accurate.
>>
>>g
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 12:16 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered
>>
>>
>> > Then Gary, you are choosing to stick to a belief that I have never
>> > supported.  The only thing you are proving is that you don't know squat
>> > about me or my beliefs.  Your position is the written version of 
>>covering
>> > your ears and shouting "La la la," but have at it, it's still a free
>> > country.  For now.
>> >
>> > You just told Andy to find support for his statement about you in your 
>>last
>> > hundred or so posts.  I challenge you to find me supporting state action 
>>to
>> > squelch political speech in my posts.  Good luck and pack a lunch.  You 
>>have
>> > nothing but your wish to pin a belief to me, one that I don't hold.  You
>> > want people to support what they say about you, but you don't hold 
>>yourself
>> > to the same standard when it comes to others.
>> >
>> > I am talking here about a person who was engaged in political speech.  
>>It
>> > was not accompanied by violence.  This doesn't have to be construed as
>> > political speech in 'some vague way .'
>> >
>> > The Yippees in Chicago in '68?  I was 6, Gary, I must have missed the
>> > footage while I was riding my bike, so I'm not talking about them.  Not
>> > interested in bait-and-switch.
>> >
>> > Sunil
>> >
>> >
>> >>From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> >>To: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>> >>CC: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered
>> >>Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:56:42 -0700
>> >>
>> >>I understand perfectly well that you're unhappy with Theresa's boy
>> >>and I'm skeptical about your assertion. Would you have extended your
>> >>argument to the Yippies in Chicago in '68? Violence as speech in a
>> >>political setting. I do not believe that the constitution gives a person
>> >>unlimited license to act the fool as long as what they say (or do) can 
>>in
>> >>some vague way be construed as a political statement.
>> >>
>> >>g
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Sunil Ramalingam" <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>> >>Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> >>Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:49 AM
>> >>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Wrong.  I absolutely would make the identical argument.  I'm talking
>> >>about
>> >> > the Constitution, not my own preferences.  And isince you missed it,
>> >>most of
>> >> > my condemnation here is for the person I voted for in the last 
>>election,
>> >>not
>> >> > Bush.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sunil
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
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