[Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered

[Saundra Lund]

Is that what you saw on Fox, Pat?  If so, I suggest you and Gary Crabtree
look elsewhere because all of the versions I've seen had the young man
interrupted within about 30 seconds.  And, part of that <gasp> 30 seconds
was spent thanking Kerry for his time -- so much for your earlier contention
that, "Its <sic> just one more example of the current generation pushing the
boundries <sic> and grownups being unable or unwilling to draw a line in
manners and behavior."  It's good to know -- although certainly not
surprising -- that your definition of "manners and behavior" doesn't include
the expression of gratitude.

Further, he wasn't even able to ask a SINGLE question before the cops
started hassling him, so you are -- yet again, although again not
surprisingly -- wrong in your allegation with respect to his questions that
he'd "had already had so many answered that the person running the mic had
turned him off."  The cops were all over the guy -- within 90 seconds from
the time started expressing his thanks to Kerry -- before Kerry was able to
answer a SINGLE question.  Geez-a-lou -- have you never been to a real
political forum where there are questions and answers?  I can think of very
few instances in the *many* I've attended -- both liberal and conservative
-- where the person asking a question got out in under 60 seconds, and
frankly, the conservatives seem to have a lot heck of a lot of difficulty
being succinct, IMHO.

You people really crack me up!  You and your ilk only care about the
Constitution and its lofty notions of free speech when it suits you and you
agree with what's being said.  The rest of the time, you show your true
colors of wanting to lockstep us right into fascism, which you've made it
clear time and again is where you feel most comfortable.

Fortunately, there are still enough of us who BELIEVE in the Constitution
and this little experiment in democracy known as the United States of
America that your lunacy will continue to lose, thank God!


Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
- Edmund Burke

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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered

The student was asking questions about Kerry and Bush and thier involvment 
with the 'skull and bones club' and had already had so many answered that 
the person running the mic had turned him off. Kerry is saying that he 
will answer the question. It was on Fox.


 All-
> 
> I have not read one comment in this threat regarding what the tasered
> student was asking John Kerry.  Maybe I missed it.
> 
> What I heard in the media, which I have not verified, is that the student
> was holding a book by Greg Palast (in the video you can see the student 
is
> holding up a book during the incident), dealing with the election in 
2004,
> which Palast (and others who have studied the facts carefully) asserts 
was
> stolen from Kerry via voting fraud and abuse of various kinds.  The 
student
> is questioning Kerry about why he did not do more to address the fact his
> election to the White House was stolen (my wording, not what the student 
may
> have possibly said).
> 
> If this is indeed what the student was asking John Kerry, the question is
> important.
> 
> The student may have been being disruptive in pushing his question
> "inappropriately" during this appearance by Kerry. But unless there is a
> threat of violence, or vandalism, etc. I don't understand why law
> enforcement needed to arrest someone using violence for asking questions
> during a public event.  But I'm not certain of the total context in which
> law enforcement felt they needed to take these actions.  I suspect the 
fact
> a US Senator was in the room resulted in a high level of police security 
for
> the event, and they did not want to take any chances of someone "out of
> control" doing harm to Kerry.
> 
> Everyone knows how managed public appearances have become for
> politicians. Nothing "off script" is allowed, if possible.  Some 
politicians
> screen everyone at their public appearances before they are allowed in.  
The
> audience is thus pre-selected to avoid protest.  George W. Bush is well
> known for "public" appearances of this sort
> 
> Ted Moffett
> 
> 
> On 9/21/07, Janesta <janesta at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't care if the guy did this 1000 times before. Violence should 
NEVER
> > be used to silence the opinion of another.
> >
> > Janesta
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/20/07, Andreas Schou <ophite at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On 9/20/07, Pat Kraut < pkraut at moscow.com> wrote:
> > > > On this kids web site he has other occasions when he has 'diturbed 
the
> > >
> > > > peace' and asked for all he got. His mic had been turned off by
> > > someone who
> > > > thought he had gone on long enough so it wasn't just the cops who
> > > thought he
> > > > had pushed his limits. Its just one more example of the current
> > > generation
> > > > pushing the boundries and grownups being unable or unwilling to 
draw a
> > > line
> > > > in manners and behavior.
> > >
> > > Pat --
> > >
> > > In what universe is being rude punishable through coercive use of
> > > state violence?
> > >
> > > -- ACS
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