[Vision2020] discrimination and zoning (was say what?)
Sunil Ramalingam
sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 21 15:22:22 PDT 2007
I don't know Tom, there always seem to be plenty of officers at the
beginning of fall semester to investigate college kids drinking beer.
Sunil
>From: Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com>
>To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] discrimination and zoning (was say what?)
>Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Another argument for adding to our police force.
>
>bill bonte <bbonte at moscow.com> wrote: Evidently it's much easier to pass
>laws, ordinances and zoning codes than it is to enforce them. We need
>strict enforcement of existing laws, ordinances and codes. How about
>enforcing speed limits. The chief of
>police has informed me that officers have more important things to do than
>enforce traffic laws. Maybe this
>is true of noise and parking ordinances also.
>
>
>Newer developments have CC&Rs, another unenforceable set of codes written
>to assure prospective buyers their property values are safe, but in reality
>useless.
>
>
>If Moscow had strict enforcement of zoning codes, the Verizon building
>would never have been sold to NSA
>in the first place.
>
>
>Bill Bont
>
>
>On Sep 20, 2007, at 2:46 PM, keely emerinemix wrote:
>
> Noise IS covered under an ordinance; other forms of illegal behavior
>under others. And the number of people, whether contemplative monks or
>hard-partying college boys, also is covered under ordinance. Has been for
>at least 15 years. That's because -- and it really IS this simple --
>renting to non-family members constitutes running a business, one that the
>City has long decided is unlawful in areas zoned not for business, but for
>single-family homes.
>
>Period.
>
>Rocket science need not be employed here, but I would invite doubters to
>remember the preschool lessons of "obey rules" and "break rules" if they're
>further confused.
>
>keely
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:38:43 -0700
> > From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> > To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; the_ivies3 at yahoo.com;
>vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Discrimination
> >
> > It seems to me that controlling the number people that live in a house
>is a round about way of getting at the "stated problem"
> > If noise is the problem regulate that. If parking is a problem regulate
>that. The only problem I see with the number of people living in one house
>would be a potential safety problem.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Donovan Arnold donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com
> > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:57:07 -0700
> > To: Tom Ivie the_ivies3 at yahoo.com, Moscow Vision 2020
>vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What? Discrimination
> >
> > > Tom Ivie,
> > >
> > > Lowering the number of occupants per housing unit by law increases
>demand for more apartments and housing units, driving the cost up. With
>rents up even more, renters are further soaked again by limiting the number
>of people they can split rent with.
> > >
> > > Moscow is a college town. Students cannot afford much more that $300
>piece for rent. IF Moscow raises its rents, the number of students
>returning to UI will reduce because they cannot afford to live in the city
>with no jobs and unaffordable housing. Many of them will elect elsewhere to
>attend like BSU, Albertson, NNU, ISU, LCSC or the new junior college in
>Nampa. But this is a good move for the socialists agenda of destroying the
>Moscow economy through relentless unneeded government regulation.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Donovan
> > >
> > > Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Doesn't it include a CUP process? As I understand it, and I could
>be wrong, lowering the number brings Moscow more in-line with the codified
>number that the majority of cities our size use.
> > >
> > > Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote: "These three
>people [(Pall, Ament and Lamar)] feel that counting unrelated people in a
> > > dwelling will solve noise and parking problems in residential
> > > neighborhoods."
> > >
> > > Mr. Busch is correct on this point. I think counting the number of
>unrelated people is discriminatory. When I worked at Inclusion North there
>were often several people with disabilities living in one home because they
>cannot afford their own place on a $660 a month SSI check, especially in a
>city like Moscow. There are many poor, disabled, and elderly people that
>MUST live together in one dwelling for economic survival. This code is a
>raw deal for those that are in need of affordable housing. Another example
>of elitist socialists trying to make everyone live like them regardless of
>their financial situations. The City Council members are saying, "Let them
>eat cake", or in this case, let them live in an apartment with only two
>people if they can only afford to live in an apartment with four others.
> > >
> > > And on the other side of the coin, a family of two adults with two
>teenagers can be very noisy and make life for their neighbors intolerable.
>Why not limit how many teenagers can live in one household, or how many
>babies a single mom can have? It would be just as unfair.
> > >
> > > An unjust law, clearly invented by people living in nice homes with
>secure incomes. I hope the newly elected city council will reverse this
>piece of discrimination.
> > >
> > > If Moscow would allow for the building of affordable housing for
>what people actually earn in Moscow we would not have 5 students or 5
>people on SSI living in one housing unit. And BTW, Moscow has more people
>per housing unit then any other city in the state according the BLS.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Donovan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> > > In a letter to the editor of the Lewiston Tribune, published today
> > > (September 16, 2007), Steve Busch suggests that "enforcing existing
>law
> > > [Moscow Zoning Code] is all that is necessary."
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Comments made in a letter to the editor authored by local attorney
>Jack
> > > Porter and published in the Sept. 12 Lewiston Tribune cannot be
>ignored. On
> > > Sept. 4, the current city council voted 3-2 to change Moscow's city
>code in
> > > an attempt to deal with a real problem.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, the majority (Pall, Ament and Lamar) threw the baby out
>with
> > > the bath water. These three people feel that counting unrelated people
>in a
> > > dwelling will solve noise and parking problems in residential
>neighborhoods.
> > >
> > >
> > > The Greater Moscow Alliance feel enforcing existing law is all that is
> > > necessary. We said so in a letter presented to the council on Sept. 10
>(to
> > > see a copy visit www.greatermoscow.org). Mr. Porter thinks this is
>evidence
> > > the GMA is insensitive to Moscow citizens' cherished life style.
>Nothing
> > > could be further from the truth. GMA is working hard to educate the
>public
> > > about issues and candidates.
> > >
> > > I urge all Moscow voters to ask candidates for city council tough
>questions.
> > > Listen carefully to the answers and vote your conscience.
> > >
> > > Steve Busch
> > > President
> > > Greater Moscow Alliance
> > > Moscow
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Questions, Mr. Busch: How often, and how selective, should enforcement
>of
> > > zoning codes be enforced? Instead of amending the current code ad
>nauseam
> > > and allowing for conditional use permits every time somebody violates
> > > "existing law", should we draw the proverbial line in the sand, much
>like
> > > the Raven, strongly proclaim "Ne'er more", and further demand that
>those
> > > entities that are currently in violation of the zoning code move
>elsewhere?
> > >
> > > Reminder, folks!
> > > http://tinyurl.com/36ghxk
> > >
> > > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > >
> > > Tom Hansen
> > > Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The
>college
> > > students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
> > >
> > > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
> > >
> > >
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