[Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered

[Paul Rumelhart]

I don't think our views are that different, we're just passionate about 
different things.

Paul

J Ford wrote:
> Are you sitting down, Mr. R?  Good.
>
> I agree 100% with what you say here.  I have watched the video (ALL 
> angles), I listened to the College President, I know the two major cop 
> actors have been put on admin leave (WITH pay) and the College has 
> asked for outside investigations.  So I am fairly confident that the 
> minor charge the kid was charged with with probably go away and 
> corrective actions will be put in place in case this type of thing 
> happens again - there, at least.  However, it is my hope that the kid 
> learned there are better ways and protocol for a journalist (his 
> major) to ask a question and get a point across.
>
> Good points made and thanks for doing so.
>
> J :]
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:28:24 -0700
> > From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> > To: sunilramalingam at hotmail.com
> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Kerry speech/student tasered
> >
> > I don't know what to think about this. I'm usually one to jump on the
> > authorities in cases like this, but now after watching the video on
> > youtube (for some reason the video link in the story didn't work for
> > me), I'm unsure.
> >
> > I think the police, which I assume were campus security, were a little
> > quick to try to remove him from the microphone and from the room. I
> > think that much of what he did at the end was theatrics. I'm sorry, but
> > when the police are moving you physically from the room (rightly or
> > wrongly), you don't resist, you don't keep acting less and less calm,
> > and you don't stupidly keep telling them "not to tazer me, man". You
> > comply, and you fight it in court. When they have you on the ground and
> > you won't give them an arm for the handcuffs they have only a limited
> > number of options. Physical force which can result in a dislocated
> > shoulder, bruises, etc, or the tazer.
> >
> > Kerry did say that he would answer the question, and that they needn't
> > do what they were doing. He mumbles, yes, but I did hear him say that.
> > It's not like he answered the question by waving at the cops to take 
> him
> > away.
> >
> > I've also read elsewhere that the person involved (I forget his name)
> > was well-known for these kinds of things. He likes to show up in public
> > places and disrupt things. I suppose the campus cops would think of him
> > as an "agitator". Many of the other students apparently think of him as
> > a kook.
> >
> > I am convinced that if he simply allowed them to remove him he wouldn't
> > have been tazered. They waited until he was on the ground and still
> > thrashing around and acting up and warned him that they would use the
> > tazer several times. I think the police should review their rules for
> > removing people from microphones at public events, but after they made
> > the decision to remove him they didn't appear to me to use force until
> > they had to.
> >
> > That's not to say that the "tazer problem" (i.e. using it in situations
> > when it shouldn't be used because it is non-lethal) isn't a real
> > problem. I just don't feel much sympathy for this guy. He got his
> > point out there. Call it a win and sit back down, or let the cops lead
> > you out of the room with something of your dignity left intact.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Sunil Ramalingam wrote:
> > > http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts09192007.html
> > >
> > > Above is the address of an article about a speech yesterday by 
> John Kerry.
> > > A student gets up and asks a question (quoting from a book I've 
> mentioned
> > > here) and ends up getting grabbed by police officers and tasered 
> in front of
> > > the crowd while Kerry drones on. It's truly bizarre; the video 
> link at the
> > > end of the article shows it all happening.
> > >
> > > Sunil
> > >
> > >
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