[Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 15, Issue 64
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Fri Sep 14 13:31:59 PDT 2007
Excellent song and extremely appropriate!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVwto8Xk2o4
Come on, Dougie. You know the words. Sing along.
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
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On Behalf Of donald edwards
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:06 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Vision2020 Digest, Vol 15, Issue 64
Money, Money, Money
This sermon brings back memories of a time long ago back in junior high
school when I as a small lad was watching a hilarious video on Mtv about
preachers and greed. Here's a synopsis of the lyrics from that song.
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Send Me Your Money
Lights, camera, silence on the set
Tape rolling, 3-2-1-action
Welcome to the church of Suicidal [Tendencies]
We'll have a service and wonderful recital
But before we go on, there's something I must mention
An important message I must bring to your attention
I was in meditation and prayer last night
I was awakened by a shining bright light
Over head, a glorious spirit
He gave me a message and you all need to hear it
"Send me your money", that's what he said
He said to "Send me your money"
Now if you can only send a dollar or two
There aint a hell of alot I can do for you
But, if you want to see heaven's door
Make a check out for five hundred or more
"Send me your money", do you here what I'm saying?
"Send me your money"
Here comes another con hiding behind a collar
His only god is the almighty dollar
He aint no prophet, he aint no healer
He's just a two bit goddamn money stealer
Send me your money
Send it, you got to send it
Send me your money
You hear what I'm saying?
Send it, send it
Send me your money
Now how much you give is your own choice
But to me it's the difference between a prosche and a Rolls Royce
I want you to make it hurt when you dig into your pocket
I want you to make it hurt!
We'll take cash, we'll take checks
We'll take credit cards, we'll take jewelry
We'll take your momma's dentures if they got gold in them
So whose gonna be the next king of the fakers
Whose gonna take the place of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker?
See my momma, she didn't raise no fool
Cause you can't put a price on a miracle
Amen
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> 1. Re: principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC (J Ford)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:42:09 -0700
>From: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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>"None is as blind as the one who refuses to see the truth in front of him."
>
>Take the blinders off, Mr. C.
>
>J :]
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thursday, September 13, 2007 11:12 AM
> Subject:
> Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
>
>Which absolutely proves what I was told earlier this week -
> Rick Beebe DID know who was buying his property across from Gritman.
> He figured if he played the poor fool that was jerked off by Dougie
>and
> his bunch, people would look the other way on his other projects.
>In
> other words, he's playing the "sympathy card". Too bad, Rick -
> people so know
> what you did and are NOT happy.
>
>Wonder if the IRS is aware
> that you're back to your old tricks?
>
>J :]
>
>: privatejf32 at hotmail.com;
> vision2020 at moscow.com
>Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:18:46 -0700
>Subject:
> Re: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse LLC
>
>
> So what, exactly is there to be unhappy about? A group
> with money to spend and a group with property to sell got together
> and transacted a mutually agreeable business deal. I don't think that
> it's currently necessary to poll the community before finalizing this
> kind of arrangement, at least not yet. With out a change in city
> governance this November it's hard telling what we might end up being
> subjected to. It's not difficult imagining Nancy, queen of the naught
>and
> her like minded henchmen being only too happy to review private
>transactions
> and withhold their stamp of approval from anything that doesn't meet
>their
> anti growth, anti business, left wing agenda.
>
> g
>
>
>
> From: dfrench at moscow.com
>To: whayman at roadrummer.com;
> vision2020 at moscow.com
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:34:11
> -0700
>Subject: [Vision2020] principals of Developers of the Palouse
> LLC
>
>
> The answer is:
>
> Larry Germer, Richard Beebe, Jeff Eisinger, Karl
> Tyler, according to records filed with the Idaho Secretary of
>State
>
> (here's the link:
>http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/search.html?>
>Does anyone know who
> Developers of the Palouse, LLC is?
>
>Warren
> Hayman
>
>
>
>
>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:28:02 -0700
>From: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [Vision2020] Dougie goes phishing for money, money, money
>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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>
>
>Didn't I say it earlier? Dougie is asking his people to GIVE, GIVE,
>GIVE as he strives to make up coffers to support his many projects. Take
>a look at this week's sermon entitled "Money, Money, Money".
>
>
>
>PLEASE take particular note of his admonitions re: tithing. Do it or
>suffer the wrath of GOD!!!!
>
>
>***Question for those who are into Bible-ese: Can you verify what Dougie
>is
>saying regarding such sayings as "The next expression ?if your eye is
>single? is a Hebrew idiom for ?if you are generous.?? *I* personally have
>never heard this kind of explanation before.***
>
>
>
>Money, Money, Money (Doug Wilson Sermon for Sept 16 2007 as presented on
>his church website; emphasis questions added in red...dare you to answer
>Dougie....didn't think you would.)
>
>
>
>INTRODUCTION:
>
>
>
>For many Christians, the practical issues surrounding money are a real
>headache. There are
>
>questions about acquiring it, about managing it, and about giving it away.
>But
>we are not left
>
>without instruction?we are to tithe, give, manage, provide, and enjoy.
>(Boy, is this skewed or what!?)
>
>
>
>THE TEXT:
>
>
>
>?Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth
>corrupt, and where thieves break through
>
>and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither
>moth
>nor rust doth corrupt, and where
>
>thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there
>will
>your heart be also. The light of the body
>
>is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full
>of
>light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body
>
>shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be
>darkness,
>how great is that darkness! No man can
>
>serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or
>else
>he will hold to the one, and despise the
>
>other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon? (Matt. 6:
> 19-24). (Isn't this supposed to be in
>reference to Jesus being the Treasure and service
>
>to God what we are supposed to be "laying up in Heaven."?)
>
>
>
>OVERVIEW:
>
>
>
>Jesus teaches us that His followers must not be graspers. (Well, except if
>your name is Doug Wilson, I guess.)
>
>They are not to be all about acquisition. (Except if your name is Doug
>Wilson or Mike Hoffman?
>Seems to me
>
>they are all about "acquisition" these days.)
>
>Do not lay up earthly treasures (v.19). You are putting your treasure in an
>insecure place.
>
>Rather, lay up treasure in heaven?the most secure investment possible (v.
>20).
>Jesus tells us
>
>that our heart will be wherever our treasure is (v. 21). From this we can
>tell
>where our treasure
>
>is?where the heart is. The next expression ?if your eye is single? is a
>Hebrew
>idiom for ?if
>
>you are generous.? If you are generous, your whole life is blessed (v. 22).
>Having an evil eye
>
>meant that you were miserly. If you are a miser and a tightwad?how great is
>the
>darkness (v.
>
>23). The issue is mastery, possession. God must be your master, and your
>money
>must be a
>
>fellow servant, along with you. (Cite this one for me,
>will ya Dougie...where does it say this in the Bible?)
>
>
>
>THE FIRST MEASURE:
>
>
>
>Begin with the tithe, God?s tax. The tithe is not extortion money paid to
>God,
>so that you get
>
>to keep ninety percent. Rather, it is tribute money, demonstrating that you
>understand that He
>
>really is the possessor of all of it. The tithe is rendered as your way of
>saying that you understand
>
>yourself to be simply a steward of the remainder.
>
>Some wonder about the tithe in the times of the New Covenant. First, we
>believe
>that the Old
>
>Testament is binding unless the New Testament says that it isn?t (Oh,
>yeah? Then what about the part
>
>of the New Testiment that specifically states?as we see, for example,
>with
>
>animal sacrifices. But if a biblical principle is not fulfilled in the New,
>then our operating
>
>assumption is that it continues. But for those who find this insufficient,
>demanding that a
>
>practice must be explicitly taught in the New for Christians to be bound to
>it,
>let us consider 1
>
>Corinthians 9:13-14. The Old Testament priests lived off the tithe, and St.
> Paul requires that
>
>those who preach the gospel should live in the same way. (Well, not
>exactly, Doug... What Paul says is: "12But we did not use this
>right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the
>gospel
>of Christ. 13Don't you know
>that those who work in the temple get their food from the temple, and those
>who
>serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14In the same
>way, the Lord has commanded that
>those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the
>gospel.15But I have not used any of
>these rights. And I am not writing this in the hope that you will do such
>things for me. I would rather die than have anyone deprive me of this
>boast. 16Yet when I preach the gospel, I
>cannot boast, for I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach
>the
>gospel! 17If I preach
>voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging
>the
>trust committed to me. 18What
>then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it
>free
>of charge, and so not make use of my rights in preaching it.")
>
>But to conclude this point, let me commend you, the saints of Christ
> Church, as a tithing
>
>congregation. If you take our church?s annual budget, multiply it by ten,
>that
>should give you
>
>the total amount earned by our families. Divide that number by the number
>of
>our households,
>
>and that should give you the average annual salary?which, if it came out as
>6K
>a year,
>
>would indicate a big spiritual problem. But the budget of our church
>indicates
>very clearly a
>
>tithing church. The only exhortation here is to ?do so more and more? (1
>Thess.
>4:10). (Um, this verse is about brotherly love, not about giving to the
>church: "9Now about brotherly love we do
>not need to write to you, for you yourselves have been taught by God to
>love
>each other. 10And in fact,
>you do love all the brothers throughout Macedonia. Yet we urge you,
>brothers, to do so more and more. 11Make it your ambition to lead a
>quiet life, to mind your own business and to work with your hands, just as
>we
>told you, 12so that your
>daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so that you will not be
>dependent on anybody.")
>
>
>
>A SECOND MEASURE:
>
>
>
>The Bible links the first table of the law to the second. How can we say we
>love God, whom we
>
>have not seen, if we don?t love our neighbor, whom we have seen (1 Jn.
>4:20)? In our text, Jesus
>
>mentions the need for personal generosity. (Where is
>this text? I have read and re-read both Chapter 4 and 5 and can not
>
>find this in either chapter...please point this out so we can all see it,
>Dougie.) That would include donations of time, work, money,
>
>gifts, advice. All of these are ways of giving yourself away. As God has
>given
>to us (freely),
>
>and we have returned it to Him (freely), let us also be generous to those
>assigned by God to us
>
>in that noble office of ?neighbor.? Is the first instinct to hoard? Is the
>first instinct to say no? Is
>
>the first instinct ?The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that
>watereth
>shall be watered also himself ?
>
>(Prov. 11:25). ?He that hath a
>bountiful eye shall be blessed; for he giveth of his bread to
>
>the poor? (Prov. 22:9). (Em, ok...question:
>Do you consider your "church" to be poor?) ?The
>instruments also
>
>of the churl are evil: he deviseth wicked devices to destroy the poor with
>lying words, even when the needy speaketh
>
>right. But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall
>he
>stand? (Is. 32:7-8)
>
>
>
>A THIRD MEASURE:
>
>
>
>The second and third must go together, and they must go together in this
>order?generous
>
>and then shrewd. Not shrewd and then stingy. The right kind of shrewdness
>is
>demonstrated in
>
>an understanding of the source of God?s blessing, and wisdom in the
>management
>of it. You
>
>give to get, in order to be able to give again. A foolish man can be
>?generous?
>if he drives
>
>down the road, throwing money out the window. But that is not true
>generosity.
>?Be thou
>
>diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds?
>(Prov.
>27:23). Put this
>
>another way?know the value and importance of what you are giving away, and
>give
>it away
>
>anyway. As John Wesley put it once, ?Earn all you can, save all you can,
>give
>all you can.? (He, as were Christ
>
>and His Workers (Paul, Peter, etc.) was talking about giving to those in
>need
>in the community - NOT to one building fund
>
>after another that benefits only those giving...i.e. to Christ Church which
>will
>be the ONLY beneficiary.)
>
>
>
>A FOURTH MEASURE:
>
>
>
>We want to provide for our own, and then be generous with whatever is left
>over. This is backwards.
>
>You are to be generous in such a way that you are more than able to provide
>for
>those that
>
>God has given you responsibility for. Yes, you must provide, and to not do
>so
>is to be worse than
>
>an infidel (1 Tim. 5:8). But what do I mean?in such a way? Seek first the
>kingdom and all these
>
>things will be added to you (Matt. 6:33). (ACTUALLY, that verse says, in
>whole: 30Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of
>the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he
>not
>much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
>
> 31Therefore
>take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or,
>Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
>
> 32(For
>after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father
>knoweth
>that ye have need of all these things.
>
> 33But
>seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these
>things shall be added
>unto you.
>
> 34Take
>therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for
>the
>things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. ? Or did
>you forget this part of that
>chapter, Dougie?)
>
>
>
> And you should
>prayerfuly consider that this encompasses
>
>more than just next month?s rent. ?A good man leaveth an inheritance to his
>children?s
>
>children: and the wealth of the sinner is laid up for the just? (Prov.
>13:22). (Not sure what you?re saying here?should they
>consider their children first or what?
>Seems kinda contradictory to me?.)
>
>
>
>AND LAST . . .
>
>
>
>Enjoy yourself. God gave you this wealth so that you would enjoy it (1 Tim.
>6:17). The
>
>idolater has enough food but no taste buds. ?But thou shalt remember the
>LORD
>thy God:
>
>for it is he that giveth thee power to get wealth, that he may establish
>his
>covenant which he
>
>sware unto thy fathers, as it is this day? (Dt. 8:17). ?And there ye shall
>eat
>before the LORD
>
>your God, and ye shall rejoice in all that ye put your hand unto, ye and
>your
>households,
>
>wherein the LORD thy God hath blessed thee? (Dt. 12:7). ?Because thou
>servedst
>not the
>
>LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance
>of
>all things;
>
>Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against
>thee, in hunger,
>
>and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall
>put a
>yoke of iron upon
>
>thy neck, until he have destroyed thee (Dt. 28:47-48). (So, in other
>words,
>give to the church or suffer the consequences?
>Wow! You really, really believe
>God is that demanding and cruel? Boy, do
>you worship a meany or what?!)
>
>
>
>J :]
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