[Vision2020] Western U.S. Forest Wildfire Activity

[J Ford]

One was arson, one was a welder's spark, one was due to a transformer, one was because of.............

NOT ONE of them was due to the weather being warmer or the fact that "global warming" is happening.  The firefighters and politicians, etc. are all - A L L - saying there are too many people in really hard-to-reach areas.  They are also saying most of the homes lost should never have been built where they stood.

NOTHING at all to do with "global warming."  Not one thing!!!!!

Yeah - I know....deaf ears.

J  :]


Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:13:07 -0700
From: starbliss at gmail.com
To: lfalen at turbonet.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Western U.S. Forest Wildfire Activity

 
All-
 
A report has been issued that at least one of the recent Southern California fires has been "confirmed" to be arson.
 
Of course this has nothing to do with the validity of the Science magazine article on Western USA forest fires and climate change (note the article avoids making claims about the causes of climate change, but does discuss CO2 sequestration related to forests and forest fires, and greenhouse gases).  Nor does it change the fact that the Southern California fires were exacerbated by record drought (worst in 130 years) and intense Santa Anna winds, with hurricane force gusts.

 
Ted Moffett

On 10/25/07, Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com> wrote:


Roger et. al.
 
http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Western_US_States_Swelter_Under_Record_Heatwave_999.html

 
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2838.htm
 

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/313/5789/940
 
The Southern California area was facing the most extreme drought in 130 years.  And had experienced record setting heat waves during 2007.  I presented the facts.  These factors increased the magnitude of these fires, do to increased drying of tinder.  Southern California was experiencing well above normal high temperatures while the fires were burning.  

 
As to whether the fires in Southern California are arson, none of the fires yet have been conclusively determined to be arson, as far as I have determined.  Some already were determined to be accidentally caused by humans.  Human caused fires happens every fire season, by arson or accident. 

 
Another major factor increasing the magnitude of these fires was the extreme Santa Anna winds...Again, an extreme weather event.  They were getting hurricane force gusts, upper 70s, 80, 90 mph., creating a blow torch effect and blowing embers long distances to spread the fire.  To prevent these conditions from spreading the fire long distances by more clearing of brush etc. is doubtful.  However, anywhere people have homes with flammable vegetation nearby, of course this is a risk.  Look at Moscow Mountain.  

 
The Science magazine article on Western US fire activity presents well documented data about the earlier arrival of Spring, earlier snow pack melt, coupled with higher temperatures, increasing the length of fire season and the magnitude of fires, since 1987, in the Western USA.  

 
The authors make it quite clear that this increase is not explained by human land use variables.  Maybe the forests could have been managed better (more clearing of underbrush) to reduce fire danger, but with earlier start of Spring, earlier snow pack melt, and higher temperatures, the forests dry out sooner and more, and this increases the duration of the fire season and the risk of fires of greater magnitude. 

 
Ted Moffett


 
On 10/25/07, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
 
Ted
Whether published in "Science" or not there are a few things missing. I think that 1934 was hoitter than it is now. Wheather it was dryer or not I don't know. These fire were predominatly the result of arson. The extent of the fires we exacerbated by the dense underbrush that resulltd from environmetalist not allowing it to be cleared out. 

Roger


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