[Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow
Tom Ivie
the_ivies3 at yahoo.com
Thu Oct 25 10:21:59 PDT 2007
I love that store! I think it is called beyond bath and pickles.
On a side note, I have noticed more Lewiston cars in the Palouse Mall parking lot since Old Navy went in.
Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com> wrote: I always go to Spokane for bath pillows and pickles. At Bath Pillows and
Pickles R Us. Great store. Carl Westberg Jr.
>From: Tom Ivie
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow
>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:00:47 -0700 (PDT)
>
>What? Pickles have sugar?!!
>
>Sue Hovey wrote: Donovan,
>
> Certainly your grandfather Lee was right on the mark with his statement
>about Moscow and everyone knowing who one is and who one is.....
>
> And you are probably right on the mark about the bath pillow, so I'm
>taking your word for it, but I will respond to one of your statements
>because it is very important to me.
>
> You mentioned having children with disabilities and Moscow not offering
>what they need. Well as you probably know, I can speak to that one in
>spades. One of the reasons we have never considered living anywhere else
>is because of our daughter, who grew up here knowing almost everyone, was
>and is cared for and protected by the citizens of this city.
>
> She was one of the first to go through the Moscow Schools under the
>provisions of the Idaho Law for special education, which predated the
>federal law by a few years. It wasn't always easy for her or the school
>district as she moved from elementary school through the high school, but
>I feel the special education program which now begins with preschool and
>continues through age 21 could legitimately be named for her. One of the
>reasons I am so angry with Gerry Weitz and his lackeys is because we, too,
>fought with the school district through those times, and even threatened
>to involve state and federal officials, but never, ever would we have done
>anything to harm the other students. And the program that was a result of
>our (and Leslie's) struggle continues to benefit those who are enrolled.
>
> She continues to thrive here. She has been an employee at Rosauers for
>about a decade--a place where she feels valued. When she messes up her
>computer, the fellows at VGH fix it for her, and laugh about the fact that
>at least she doesn't download porn. She loves Vandal basketball and
>attends the home games with Judy and Tom Morris. She gets good medical
>care right here in Moscow. Her service providers who work through the
>Department of Health and Welfare and the University of Idaho know her as a
>person and not a case number.
>
> Leslie is representative of a large group of people with disabilities
>who have chosen to live in Moscow because they like living here and the
>other residents welcome them. And that's despite the fact that in almost
>any other state the funding is better for people with special needs than
>it is in Idaho.
>
> And Spokane isn't a big city. Hummmmm. I guess big is a relative term.
> It continues to be the second largest city in Washington State, and in a
>comparison with Moscow--well I won't give you that point, but the bath
>pillow, it's yours.
>
> Sue H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donovan Arnold
> To: Sue Hovey ; v2020
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow
>
>
> Sue,
>
> I think you will find as I did, that a foam pillow for a bathtub would
> quickly mold. I find the selection of low calorie and sugar free foods
>in Moscow limited and more expensive than a larger city.
>
> Yes Sue, your basic needs may be meet in Moscow, but many others are
>not. What if you had a child with a heart murmur, or was Autistic? What
>if you are a college student with $40,000 in debt and your degree is in
>a field that does not have any jobs or internships in Moscow?
>
> There are many things that Moscow does not offer, particularly for
>those with a need to make more than $35,000 a year and don't have a
>teaching certificate. The average household income in Latah is less than
>$35,000.
>
> My Grandfather, Leeland G. Connelly, use to say, "The good thing about
> Moscow is that everyone knows who you are, and the the bad thing about
>Moscow is that everyone knows who you are."
>
> I guess it depends on how you look at things, what you value most, what
> your needs are, and at what stage you are at in life.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
> PS, Spokane is not a big city.
>
>
>
>Sue Hovey wrote:
> Actually, Donovan, one can find sugar free pickles lots
>of places and a bath pillow--well I haven't looked for one but if I
>needed to, I'd go to Tri State, buy some foam and make my own.
>
> One other issue. Folks keep talking about bringing in jobs and
>making the comparison to Seattle, Pittsburg, etc. What about those of
>us who choose to live here because we can buy everything we really
>need here, we can get all the way across town in about 3 minutes, we
>can know a very big percentage of the population on a first name basis,
> we can enjoy a walk around town without being bothered by freeways, super
> highways, and busy pedestrians running to catch a bus or taxi. And
> gridlock here in downtown Moscow on a really busy day lasts about 4
> seconds. Call me a naysayer, but I like it this way. And when I
>really want to go to a big city to shop I do it in conjunction with a play
> in Spokane, a business trip to DC, or a vacation. Or I shop over the
> Internet. I don't need more of anything much as long as
>Bookpeople, Casa Lopez and the Red Door, VGH, Tri State, Browns
>Furniture, Sisters, Wild Women
> Traders, and Rosauers stay in business. And if Walmart closed its
>doors, I wouldn't miss it for a minute. I like the ambiance of
>downtown especially on a Farmer's Market Morning. Am I missing
>anything---I don't think so.
>
> Sue H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donovan Arnold
> To: Tom Hansen ; Bill London ; lfalen ; v2020
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in
>Moscow
>
>
> I think you have to have the low tech and industrial jobs before we
> can support the high tech jobs. High technology jobs usually depend
>on the industrial jobs to produce the materials they manufacture.
>Moscow does not have the means, the human resources or the
>industrial might, to support high technological jobs. You can hardly
>find sugar free pickles or a bath pillow in Moscow, much less a
>piece of gold shaped to the exact dimensions needed for a conductor.
>I would venture to say higher technological companies like having
>the resources and industry to supply them with their materials
>rather waiting weeks for it cross mountains and rivers to Moscow,
>Idaho, and having to pay for the transportation jobs.
>
> Jobs that don't need industry and materials are usually outsourced
> overseas.
>
> I would suggest that Moscow take advantage of its valuable clays
>and fertile soil if it wants to branch outside of education as its
>sole bread winner.
>
> Best,
>
> Donovan
>
>Tom Hansen wrote:
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>FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } In my opinion, it is really
>quite simple, Mr. Falen.
>
>The retail stores will follow the high tech jobs into town alot
>quicker than high tech jobs will follow retail stores.
>
>As more and more high tech jobs are available here in Moscow, more
>and more people will seek those high-tech (pronounced "high
>paying") jobs.
>
>As more and more people fill those high tech, high paying jobs,
>the more money there is flowing around the city of Moscow.
>
>Also, as these jobs develop into careers, people holding those
>jobs evolve from a person to a couple to a family.
>
>As more and more money is distributed around the city of Moscow
>(by these persons, couples, families), more and more retail
>outlets will establish themselves in Moscow.
>
>And just FYI, Mr. Falen: That, to me, is GROWTH.
>
>If you think that by flooding the city of Moscow with retail store
>after retail store after retail store, this will attract the high
>tech jobs, you are only fooling yourself.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
>
>---------------------------------
>
> > From: london at moscow.com
> > To: lfalen at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:36:59 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow
> >
> > R-
> > You missed the point.
> > These high-tech jobs can go anywhere. All towns want them.
> > The entrepreneurs can be choosy, and they are choosy. They want
>towns with
> > a high quality of life.
> > If Moscow sacrifices its high quality of life for (what you
>describe as)
> > "almost anything that will provide jobs, increase the tax base
>and improve
> > the overall economy", then we lose what now attracts these
>high-tech jobs.
> > You just can not have it both ways.
> > I want to live in a town that maintains its high quality of
>life and
> > therefore is attractive to high-tech jobs -- not a town that
>has no
> > standards but goes for any growth.
> > BL
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "lfalen"
> > To: "Bill London" ; "v2020"
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow
> >
> >
> > >I can't argue with bringing in high-tech companies, I'm all
>for it. I think
> > >Moscow should try to attract all kinds of businesses. It is
>fine to place
> > >controls on those that would create undue pollution. Other
>than that
> > >promote almost anything that will provide jobs, increase the
>tax base and
> > >improve the overall economy.
> > > Roger
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: "Bill London" london at moscow.com
> > > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:58:18 -0700
> > > To: "v2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Today's Tribune article about the MCA forum held last night
>is a great
> > >> summary of the choices facing Moscow voters in this council
>election.
> > >> Vote for the future with MCA endorsed candidates and Moscow
>will aim for
> > >> both maintaining its uniqueness and attracting more
>entrepreneurial
> > >> businesses. My thanks to the MCA board for sponsoring this
>forum. BL
> > >>
> > >> ----------------
> > >> Is high-tech the key to Moscow's future?
> > >> Forum sponsored by Moscow Civic Association brings together
>business and
> > >> community leaders
> > >> By David Johnson
> > >> October 23, 2007
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> MOSCOW - The economic future of Moscow will depend more on
>attracting and
> > >> retaining high-tech companies than encouraging more housing
>and retail
> > >> business, members of a panel agreed Monday night.
> > >>
> > >> "In the basic form, economic development is jobs," said B.J.
>Swanson,
> > >> vice president of AmericanWest Bank here and chairwoman of
>the board of
> > >> directors for Gritman Medical Center. "But not just any
>job." She said
> > >> jobs should provide enough money to offer a reasonably
>comfortable
> > >> living.
> > >>
> > >> Robin Woods, president of Alturas Analytics located in
>Moscow, said 100
> > >> percent of her bio-tech business comes from outside Idaho,
>most of it
> > >> from the San Francisco Bay Area. Yet, she and her partners
>opted to
> > >> locate here because of the quality of life that's available
> > >>
> > >> "Probably it would have been better to locate in San
>Francisco or
> > >> Seattle, but with Fed Ex and the fiber-optic that we have
>... and with
> > >> the Internet, the world is flat and we can conduct our
>business here,"
> > >> Woods said.
> > >>
> > >> David Alexander, a UI graduate and CEO of Ivus Industries, a
>small
> > >> business he decided to locate here, said Moscow is an ideal
>location for
> > >> entrepreneurs to tap into a high-tech labor pool that spins
>off both the
> > >> University of Idaho and neighboring Washington State
>University in
> > >> Pullman.
> > >>
> > >> "What the business is, is a focus on extremely fast-charging
>rechargeable
> > >> products," Alexander said of his startup company. He said
>the company,
> > >> which has four employees, is currently developing a
>fast-charging
> > >> flashlight.
> > >>
> > >> Judy Brown, an economist and director of the Idaho Center on
>Budget and
> > >> Tax Policy, said research shows if a community creates a
>good living
> > >> environment, jobs will come. "The key thing that attracts"
>entrepreneurs
> > >> and businesses to an area, Brown said, is quality of life,
>not tax
> > >> breaks.
> > >>
> > >> "Quality of life and the ability to work either from home or
>near home,"
> > >> she said, "are the two really key things in deciding where
>people locate
> > >> those kinds of businesses."
> > >>
> > >> The forum, sponsored by the Moscow Civic Association, comes
>two weeks
> > >> prior to a city council election here that many say hinges
>on attitudes
> > >> about economic growth. Bruce Livingston, president of the
>MCA, said the
> > >> forum was called in part to dispel the notion that the MCA
>is
> > >> anti-economic growth. He said the MCA is "pro business, pro
>growth and
> > >> pro community."
> > >>
> > >> About 30 people, including several council candidates,
>attended the forum
> > >> at the 1912 Center.
> > >>
> > >> Swanson said Moscow needs to wean itself from a housing and
> retail
> > >> fixation about growth. "Our voracious appetite to approve
>subdivision
> > >> after subdivision, to build high-end homes, has run out of
>high-end
> > >> people to occupy them," Swanson said, adding that new retail
>businesses
> > >> seem to be only replacing old ones.
> > >>
> > >> "Over-built housing and replacement retail is not a good
> economic model,"
> > >> Swanson said.
> > >>
> > >> According to statistics presented at the forum, Moscow has a
>population
> > >> of about 22,350 and UI employs about 2,870 people. Gritman
>employs 431,
> > >> with the Moscow School District and Wal-Mart, by comparison,
>employing
> > >> 350 and 207 people, respectively.
> > >>
> > >> Swanson said it's time for the community to get back on the
>right
> > >> economic track with the primary focus on good-paying jobs
>and a secondary
> > >> focus on housing and retail business. "And as always, focus
>on anything
> > >> that will help the University of Idaho. They've carried us
>for years.
> > >> It's time for us to get out and carry ourselves."
> > >>
> > >> All the panelists said Moscow city officials and members of
>the city
> > >> council have been extremely pro-business.
> > >>
> > >> "Our intent is to hire WSU and University of Idaho
>graduates," Woods said
> > >> about her expanding business. She said that all but one of
>the 30 people
> > >> working at Alturas Analytics are from the two universities.
>Woods said
> > >> it's important for Moscow to complete it's rewrite of the
>comprehensive
> > >> plan, and to keep tech businesses together to encourage more
> business.
> > >>
> > >> "I think it's important to have kind of a think-tank
>atmosphere," she
> > >> said, "kind of a campus atmosphere in your tech park. So I
>don't think
> > >> it's a good idea to scatter things here and there."
> > >>
> > >> Swanson pointed out Alturas Technology Park, located on the
>southeastern
> > >> edge of town, had modest beginnings, but now is home to
>around 150 jobs
> > >> that have annual salaries of $50,000 and up. "And those jobs
>really
> > >> contribute back to the community," she said.
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >>
> > >> Johnson may be contacted at deveryone at potlatch.com or (208)
>883-0564.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
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