I love that store! I think it is called beyond bath and pickles. <br><br>On a side note, I have noticed more Lewiston cars in the Palouse Mall parking lot since Old Navy went in. <br><br><b><i>Carl Westberg <carlwestberg846@hotmail.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> I always go to Spokane for bath pillows and pickles. At Bath Pillows and <br>Pickles R Us. Great store. Carl Westberg Jr.<br><br><br>>From: Tom Ivie <the_ivies3@yahoo.com><br>>To: vision2020@moscow.com<br>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow<br>>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:00:47 -0700 (PDT)<br>><br>>What? Pickles have sugar?!!<br>><br>>Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com> wrote: Donovan,<br>><br>> Certainly your grandfather Lee was right on the mark with his statement <br>>about Moscow and everyone knowing who one is and who one
is.....<br>><br>> And you are probably right on the mark about the bath pillow, so I'm <br>>taking your word for it, but I will respond to one of your statements <br>>because it is very important to me.<br>><br>> You mentioned having children with disabilities and Moscow not offering <br>>what they need. Well as you probably know, I can speak to that one in <br>>spades. One of the reasons we have never considered living anywhere else <br>>is because of our daughter, who grew up here knowing almost everyone, was <br>>and is cared for and protected by the citizens of this city.<br>><br>> She was one of the first to go through the Moscow Schools under the <br>>provisions of the Idaho Law for special education, which predated the <br>>federal law by a few years. It wasn't always easy for her or the school <br>>district as she moved from elementary school through the high school, but <br>>I feel the special
education program which now begins with preschool and <br>>continues through age 21 could legitimately be named for her. One of the <br>>reasons I am so angry with Gerry Weitz and his lackeys is because we, too, <br>>fought with the school district through those times, and even threatened <br>>to involve state and federal officials, but never, ever would we have done <br>>anything to harm the other students. And the program that was a result of <br>>our (and Leslie's) struggle continues to benefit those who are enrolled.<br>><br>> She continues to thrive here. She has been an employee at Rosauers for <br>>about a decade--a place where she feels valued. When she messes up her <br>>computer, the fellows at VGH fix it for her, and laugh about the fact that <br>>at least she doesn't download porn. She loves Vandal basketball and <br>>attends the home games with Judy and Tom Morris. She gets good medical <br>>care right
here in Moscow. Her service providers who work through the <br>>Department of Health and Welfare and the University of Idaho know her as a <br>>person and not a case number.<br>><br>> Leslie is representative of a large group of people with disabilities <br>>who have chosen to live in Moscow because they like living here and the <br>>other residents welcome them. And that's despite the fact that in almost <br>>any other state the funding is better for people with special needs than <br>>it is in Idaho.<br>><br>> And Spokane isn't a big city. Hummmmm. I guess big is a relative term. <br>> It continues to be the second largest city in Washington State, and in a <br>>comparison with Moscow--well I won't give you that point, but the bath <br>>pillow, it's yours.<br>><br>> Sue H.<br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> From: Donovan Arnold<br>> To: Sue Hovey ; v2020<br>> Sent: Wednesday,
October 24, 2007 10:47 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow<br>><br>><br>> Sue,<br>><br>> I think you will find as I did, that a foam pillow for a bathtub would <br>> quickly mold. I find the selection of low calorie and sugar free foods <br>>in Moscow limited and more expensive than a larger city.<br>><br>> Yes Sue, your basic needs may be meet in Moscow, but many others are <br>>not. What if you had a child with a heart murmur, or was Autistic? What <br>>if you are a college student with $40,000 in debt and your degree is in <br>>a field that does not have any jobs or internships in Moscow?<br>><br>> There are many things that Moscow does not offer, particularly for <br>>those with a need to make more than $35,000 a year and don't have a <br>>teaching certificate. The average household income in Latah is less than <br>>$35,000.<br>><br>>
My Grandfather, Leeland G. Connelly, use to say, "The good thing about <br>> Moscow is that everyone knows who you are, and the the bad thing about <br>>Moscow is that everyone knows who you are."<br>><br>> I guess it depends on how you look at things, what you value most, what <br>> your needs are, and at what stage you are at in life.<br>><br>> Best,<br>><br>> Donovan<br>><br>> PS, Spokane is not a big city.<br>><br>><br>><br>>Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com> wrote:<br>> Actually, Donovan, one can find sugar free pickles lots <br>>of places and a bath pillow--well I haven't looked for one but if I <br>>needed to, I'd go to Tri State, buy some foam and make my own.<br>><br>> One other issue. Folks keep talking about bringing in jobs and <br>>making the comparison to Seattle, Pittsburg, etc. What about those of <br>>us who choose to live here
because we can buy everything we really <br>>need here, we can get all the way across town in about 3 minutes, we <br>>can know a very big percentage of the population on a first name basis, <br>> we can enjoy a walk around town without being bothered by freeways, super <br>> highways, and busy pedestrians running to catch a bus or taxi. And <br>> gridlock here in downtown Moscow on a really busy day lasts about 4 <br>> seconds. Call me a naysayer, but I like it this way. And when I <br>>really want to go to a big city to shop I do it in conjunction with a play <br>> in Spokane, a business trip to DC, or a vacation. Or I shop over the <br>> Internet. I don't need more of anything much as long as <br>>Bookpeople, Casa Lopez and the Red Door, VGH, Tri State, Browns <br>>Furniture, Sisters, Wild Women<br>> Traders, and Rosauers stay in business. And if Walmart closed its
<br>>doors, I wouldn't miss it for a minute. I like the ambiance of <br>>downtown especially on a Farmer's Market Morning. Am I missing <br>>anything---I don't think so.<br>><br>> Sue H.<br>> ----- Original Message -----<br>> From: Donovan Arnold<br>> To: Tom Hansen ; Bill London ; lfalen ; v2020<br>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:29 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in <br>>Moscow<br>><br>><br>> I think you have to have the low tech and industrial jobs before we <br>> can support the high tech jobs. High technology jobs usually depend <br>>on the industrial jobs to produce the materials they manufacture. <br>>Moscow does not have the means, the human resources or the <br>>industrial might, to support high technological jobs. You can hardly <br>>find sugar free
pickles or a bath pillow in Moscow, much less a <br>>piece of gold shaped to the exact dimensions needed for a conductor. <br>>I would venture to say higher technological companies like having <br>>the resources and industry to supply them with their materials <br>>rather waiting weeks for it cross mountains and rivers to Moscow, <br>>Idaho, and having to pay for the transportation jobs.<br>><br>> Jobs that don't need industry and materials are usually outsourced <br>> overseas.<br>><br>> I would suggest that Moscow take advantage of its valuable clays <br>>and fertile soil if it wants to branch outside of education as its <br>>sole bread winner.<br>><br>> Best,<br>><br>> Donovan<br>><br>>Tom Hansen <idahotom@hotmail.com> wrote:<br>> .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px;
<br>>PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { <br>>FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } In my opinion, it is really <br>>quite simple, Mr. Falen.<br>><br>>The retail stores will follow the high tech jobs into town alot <br>>quicker than high tech jobs will follow retail stores.<br>><br>>As more and more high tech jobs are available here in Moscow, more <br>>and more people will seek those high-tech (pronounced "high <br>>paying") jobs.<br>><br>>As more and more people fill those high tech, high paying jobs, <br>>the more money there is flowing around the city of Moscow.<br>><br>>Also, as these jobs develop into careers, people holding those <br>>jobs evolve from a person to a couple to a family.<br>><br>>As more and more money is distributed around the city of Moscow <br>>(by these persons,
couples, families), more and more retail <br>>outlets will establish themselves in Moscow.<br>><br>>And just FYI, Mr. Falen: That, to me, is GROWTH.<br>><br>>If you think that by flooding the city of Moscow with retail store <br>>after retail store after retail store, this will attract the high <br>>tech jobs, you are only fooling yourself.<br>><br>>Tom Hansen<br>>Moscow, Idaho<br>><br>><br>><br>><br>><br>>---------------------------------<br>><br>> > From: london@moscow.com<br>> > To: lfalen@turbonet.com; vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:36:59 -0700<br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow<br>> ><br>> > R-<br>> > You missed the point.<br>> > These high-tech jobs can go anywhere. All towns want them.<br>> > The
entrepreneurs can be choosy, and they are choosy. They want <br>>towns with<br>> > a high quality of life.<br>> > If Moscow sacrifices its high quality of life for (what you <br>>describe as)<br>> > "almost anything that will provide jobs, increase the tax base <br>>and improve<br>> > the overall economy", then we lose what now attracts these <br>>high-tech jobs.<br>> > You just can not have it both ways.<br>> > I want to live in a town that maintains its high quality of <br>>life and<br>> > therefore is attractive to high-tech jobs -- not a town that <br>>has no<br>> > standards but goes for any growth.<br>> > BL<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>> > From: "lfalen" <lfalen@turbonet.com><br>> > To: "Bill London" <london@moscow.com>;
"v2020" <br>><vision2020@moscow.com><br>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 10:34 AM<br>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > >I can't argue with bringing in high-tech companies, I'm all <br>>for it. I think<br>> > >Moscow should try to attract all kinds of businesses. It is <br>>fine to place<br>> > >controls on those that would create undue pollution. Other <br>>than that<br>> > >promote almost anything that will provide jobs, increase the <br>>tax base and<br>> > >improve the overall economy.<br>> > > Roger<br>> > > -----Original message-----<br>> > > From: "Bill London" london@moscow.com<br>> > > Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 09:58:18 -0700<br>> > > To: "v2020" vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > >
Subject: [Vision2020] real economic development in Moscow<br>> > ><br>> > >><br>> > >> Today's Tribune article about the MCA forum held last night <br>>is a great<br>> > >> summary of the choices facing Moscow voters in this council <br>>election.<br>> > >> Vote for the future with MCA endorsed candidates and Moscow <br>>will aim for<br>> > >> both maintaining its uniqueness and attracting more <br>>entrepreneurial<br>> > >> businesses. My thanks to the MCA board for sponsoring this <br>>forum. BL<br>> > >><br>> > >> ----------------<br>> > >> Is high-tech the key to Moscow's future?<br>> > >> Forum sponsored by Moscow Civic Association brings together <br>>business and<br>> > >> community leaders<br>> > >> By David
Johnson<br>> > >> October 23, 2007<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >> MOSCOW - The economic future of Moscow will depend more on <br>>attracting and<br>> > >> retaining high-tech companies than encouraging more housing <br>>and retail<br>> > >> business, members of a panel agreed Monday night.<br>> > >><br>> > >> "In the basic form, economic development is jobs," said B.J. <br>>Swanson,<br>> > >> vice president of AmericanWest Bank here and chairwoman of <br>>the board of<br>> > >> directors for Gritman Medical Center. "But not just any <br>>job." She said<br>> > >> jobs should provide enough money to offer a reasonably <br>>comfortable<br>> > >> living.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Robin Woods, president of Alturas
Analytics located in <br>>Moscow, said 100<br>> > >> percent of her bio-tech business comes from outside Idaho, <br>>most of it<br>> > >> from the San Francisco Bay Area. Yet, she and her partners <br>>opted to<br>> > >> locate here because of the quality of life that's available<br>> > >><br>> > >> "Probably it would have been better to locate in San <br>>Francisco or<br>> > >> Seattle, but with Fed Ex and the fiber-optic that we have <br>>... and with<br>> > >> the Internet, the world is flat and we can conduct our <br>>business here,"<br>> > >> Woods said.<br>> > >><br>> > >> David Alexander, a UI graduate and CEO of Ivus Industries, a <br>>small<br>> > >> business he decided to locate here, said Moscow is an ideal <br>>location
for<br>> > >> entrepreneurs to tap into a high-tech labor pool that spins <br>>off both the<br>> > >> University of Idaho and neighboring Washington State <br>>University in<br>> > >> Pullman.<br>> > >><br>> > >> "What the business is, is a focus on extremely fast-charging <br>>rechargeable<br>> > >> products," Alexander said of his startup company. He said <br>>the company,<br>> > >> which has four employees, is currently developing a <br>>fast-charging<br>> > >> flashlight.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Judy Brown, an economist and director of the Idaho Center on <br>>Budget and<br>> > >> Tax Policy, said research shows if a community creates a <br>>good living<br>> > >> environment, jobs will come. "The key thing
that attracts" <br>>entrepreneurs<br>> > >> and businesses to an area, Brown said, is quality of life, <br>>not tax<br>> > >> breaks.<br>> > >><br>> > >> "Quality of life and the ability to work either from home or <br>>near home,"<br>> > >> she said, "are the two really key things in deciding where <br>>people locate<br>> > >> those kinds of businesses."<br>> > >><br>> > >> The forum, sponsored by the Moscow Civic Association, comes <br>>two weeks<br>> > >> prior to a city council election here that many say hinges <br>>on attitudes<br>> > >> about economic growth. Bruce Livingston, president of the <br>>MCA, said the<br>> > >> forum was called in part to dispel the notion that the MCA <br>>is<br>> > >> anti-economic
growth. He said the MCA is "pro business, pro <br>>growth and<br>> > >> pro community."<br>> > >><br>> > >> About 30 people, including several council candidates, <br>>attended the forum<br>> > >> at the 1912 Center.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Swanson said Moscow needs to wean itself from a housing and <br>> retail<br>> > >> fixation about growth. "Our voracious appetite to approve <br>>subdivision<br>> > >> after subdivision, to build high-end homes, has run out of <br>>high-end<br>> > >> people to occupy them," Swanson said, adding that new retail <br>>businesses<br>> > >> seem to be only replacing old ones.<br>> > >><br>> > >> "Over-built housing and replacement retail is not a good <br>> economic model,"<br>> > >>
Swanson said.<br>> > >><br>> > >> According to statistics presented at the forum, Moscow has a <br>>population<br>> > >> of about 22,350 and UI employs about 2,870 people. Gritman <br>>employs 431,<br>> > >> with the Moscow School District and Wal-Mart, by comparison, <br>>employing<br>> > >> 350 and 207 people, respectively.<br>> > >><br>> > >> Swanson said it's time for the community to get back on the <br>>right<br>> > >> economic track with the primary focus on good-paying jobs <br>>and a secondary<br>> > >> focus on housing and retail business. "And as always, focus <br>>on anything<br>> > >> that will help the University of Idaho. They've carried us <br>>for years.<br>> > >> It's time for us to get out and carry
ourselves."<br>> > >><br>> > >> All the panelists said Moscow city officials and members of <br>>the city<br>> > >> council have been extremely pro-business.<br>> > >><br>> > >> "Our intent is to hire WSU and University of Idaho <br>>graduates," Woods said<br>> > >> about her expanding business. She said that all but one of <br>>the 30 people<br>> > >> working at Alturas Analytics are from the two universities. <br>>Woods said<br>> > >> it's important for Moscow to complete it's rewrite of the <br>>comprehensive<br>> > >> plan, and to keep tech businesses together to encourage more <br>> business.<br>> > >><br>> > >> "I think it's important to have kind of a think-tank <br>>atmosphere," she<br>> > >> said, "kind of a
campus atmosphere in your tech park. So I <br>>don't think<br>> > >> it's a good idea to scatter things here and there."<br>> > >><br>> > >> Swanson pointed out Alturas Technology Park, located on the <br>>southeastern<br>> > >> edge of town, had modest beginnings, but now is home to <br>>around 150 jobs<br>> > >> that have annual salaries of $50,000 and up. "And those jobs <br>>really<br>> > >> contribute back to the community," she said.<br>> > >><br>> > >> ---<br>> > >><br>> > >> Johnson may be contacted at deveryone@potlatch.com or (208) <br>>883-0564.<br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > >><br>> > ><br>> ><br>> > =======================================================<br>> > List services made
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