[Vision2020] UI not having anti-Islam event

[Carl Westberg]

"...please start paying more attention to world events."  As described by 
Rush or Sean?  No thanks.  Carl Westberg Jr.


>From: <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: vision2020 at mail-gw.fsr.net
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] UI not having anti-Islam event
>Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 22:13:58 GMT
>
>Obviously Andreas does not listen to Rush or Sean or anything that would
>give him true knowledge of what they say about Islam. There are groups
>such as Al Quida that are mean to everyone and I do mean Everyone. They
>are not truly peaceful, kind or following Islam and the muslims world wide
>know this. Muslims world wide are being held up for hate because these
>groups are killing women, children and anyone who does not agree with them
>with great joy. Most followers of Islam are not willing to start killing
>anyone and everyone just because they are not muslim but these radical
>groups are and must be stopped for everyones peace. They have meetings
>wherein they teach and pray for the end of the Great Satan, (USA) and an
>end to Israel and I mean an end at whatever cost. I wonder if
>the 'palistians' realize that if they are in the way when the nuclear
>bombs start dropping that the radicals won't care?? Anyway, some students
>at WSU want to show a film that shows this side of the story but some in
>the democratic party do not want the movie to be shown. They belive in
>a 'peace in our time' philosophy. They think we can talk to
>them...remember 1930, England, Germany, etc? So once again we have
>Chambelain making peace at all cost and Bush drawing a line and saying NO!
>but much sooner than was done in 1940. Who is right? I suppose we will
>have to wait longer (but not much) and see what history tells us...but I
>realize that if this is the first time you have heard this term you are a
>great example of those who have their head in the sand do not realize how
>important this all is to our peace and civilization. I do not want to be
>rude but the radicals want to change our world dramatically and they do
>not care who gets hurt in the process. Now I am sure that there will be
>many responses to this email but please start paying more attention to
>world events.
>
>
>
> > Bruce --
> >
> > Sure.
> >
> > "Islamo-fascism" is the right-wing's preferred term for what everyone
>else
> > calls "Islamism." It covers everything from moderate Islamic parties in
> > Turkey to the Muslim Brotherhood to Iran's government to al-Qaida. It's
> > generally invoked as the "next great threat" to the United State, or,
>even
> > more hyperbolically, "the greatest threat America has ever faced." In
>other
> > words, it's sloppy thinking and bad scholarship in pursuit of another
>idiot
> > war.
> >
> > "Islamo-fascism Awareness Week" was the brainchild of David Horowitz, a
> > conservative gadfly whose main selling point is that he was once a
>hardcore
> > leftist. Since thin, he has traded in his extraordinary credulity in
> > believing leftist hoaxes for an extraordinary credulity in believing
> > right-wing hoaxes.
> >
> > "Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week" is along those lines. Its purpose is to
> > expose the collusion between academic liberals and al-Qaida, presumably
>to
> > create an transnational communist caliphate which strictly enforces
>sharia
> > law and allows gay marriage.
> >
> > -- ACS
> >
> >
> > On 10/23/07, Bruce and Jean Livingston <jeanlivingston at turbonet.com>
>wrote:
> > >
> > >  I noted that there was something being sponsored by a Young 
>Republican
> > > club at WSU recently, something about Islamo-fascism, and I have not
> > > understood what that was.  Now I note this article in the UI paper, 
>the
> > > Argonaut.
> > >
> > > http://www.uiargonaut.com/content/view/4683/48/
> > >
> > > Not having read much if anything about the so-called "Islamo-fascist"
> > > movement, I wonder whether the Islamo-fascist movement has been
> > > mis-representing Islam and tarring the entire religion with the acts
>of an
> > > extreme faction?  This story in the Argonaut makes me think that is
>what has
> > > been happening, but the story does not say specify the message of hate
>that
> > > the opposers of "Islamo-fascism" are promulgating.  I would like to
>hear
> > > more about this from people who surely have followed this issue much
>more
> > > closely than I.
> > >
> > > I am curious about what is going on with this issue, as I have only
>heard
> > > this term "Islamo-fascism" in the last several weeks, other than
>seeing the
> > > term in a book review that I did not read closely about a year ago.  I
> > > assume from the very little I have read about "Islamo-fascism" that 
>the
> > > announced aim of the Islamo-fascist movement is to
>address/publicize/oppose
> > > those who practice terrorism in the name of the Islamic religion --
>the Bin
> > > Laden/Al Queda/Taliban camp.  But it seems, based on the story in the
> > > Argonaut, that much more is going on than that, and that good Muslims
>are
> > > being caught in the overbroad net aimed at the terrorists by those who
> > > oppose/head-up the "Oppose Islamo-fascism" movement.  As I understand
>the
> > > statements of the Al Quaeda/Bin Laden terrorists, they practice a form
>of
> > > Islam that is anti-thetical to the vast majority of the Islamic world,
> > > killing in the name of religion but without the approval of most of 
>the
> > > Muslim world.  Essentially, as I understand it, the terrorist, so-
>called "Al
> > > Quaeda" wing of Islam mis-represents and mis-uses Islam as it is
>understood
> > > by the vast majority of Muslims.
> > >
> > > Am I correct in assuming that the Islamo-fascist movement is
>castigating
> > > all/most Muslims, rather than the small minority of terrorist sects
>that are
> > > murdering in the name of Islam, while violating Islamic law?   Are
>there any
> > > on this list who might elaborate on this issue for me?
> > >
> > > Bruce Livingston
> > >
> > >   Written by Jessica Mullins - Argonaut     Tuesday, 23 October 2007
> > >
> > > *Community members gather against movement*
> > >
> > > Palouse community members organized events and spread information in
> > > response to this week's national "Islamo-Fascism
> > > Awareness Week."
> > >
> > > The movement is intended to promote hostility and hate toward Muslims,
> > > Arabs ands people who resemble them, said retired University of Idaho
> > > economics professor Ghazi Ghazanfar. "The whole idea is to create more
>hate
> > > and demonize the religion and people," Ghazanfar said. "This is a
> > > systematic, well-organized effort in the country."
> > >
> > > The week, part of a "terrorism awareness project," is sponsored by the
> > > David Horowitz Freedom Center.  Activities are planned at nearly 100
>U.S.
> > > universities including Washington State University, but none at
>UI.  "The
> > > movement is unfortunately all over the place," said Andy Neukranz-
>Butler,
> > > UI's human rights compliance officer.  The Web site,
> > > www.terrorismawareness.org/islamo-fascism, says the protest is to
>confront
> > > the two "big lies of the political left": that President George W. 
>Bush
> > > created the war on terror and that global warming is a greater 
>American
> > > danger than the terrorism threat.
> > >
> > > In light of the movement, UI President Tim White re-released the UI
> > > civility statement on Oct. 11 to "raise to top-of-mind" UI civility
> > > expectations.  The civility statement acknowledges everyone comes from
> > > different backgrounds and supports the discussion of different points
>of
> > > view in a civilized manner, Neukranz-Butler said.  The statement says
> > > "expressions of hate and intolerance meant to discriminate against
>entire
> > > groups are beneath the ideals that we aspire to at the University of
> > > Idaho."
> > >
> > > While there are no events planned at UI, organizers wanted to prepare,
> > > just in case.  "We want to be proactive to include people in community
> > > discussion," Neukranz-Butler said. "We would hope things wouldn't get
>out of
> > > hand."   While debate is important, it shouldn't include hateful or
>fighting
> > > words, she said.  "Obviously, good debate is what we want. We just
>want to
> > > do it in a respectful manner," she said. "We want to create an
>environment
> > > where we can talk about it."   The civility statement is appropriate 
>to
> > > combat feelings of threats, said Rula Awwad-Rafferty, UI faculty and
>JUNTURA
> > > committee chair.
> > >
> > > The WSU College Republicans will show the film "Obsession" on
>Wednesday.
> > > "The film has a lot of nasty things to say about the Muslim religion,"
> > > Neukranz-Butler said. The film doesn't encourage constructive
>discussion,
> > > she said.  Palouse community members, including Neukranz-Butler,
> > > Awwad-Rafferty and Ghazanfar, met and organized events and ads to run
>in
> > > local newspapers in response to the week.  "Regardless of your
>political
> > > orientation or religious orientation, I think knowledge is power and
>it is
> > > important to question information and go to try to find other 
>sources,"
> > > Awwad-Rafferty said.
> > >
> > > The efforts in response to the awareness week focus on the unity of 
>the
> > > community.  "We all stand together," Awwad-Rafferty said. "If it hurts
> > > someone in the community it hurts us all. We combat stereotypes
>because we
> > > believe they hurt all of us no matter where they come from."  Awwad-
>Rafferty
> > > said it is nice how the community came together against the
>movement.  "I
> > > don't think hatred ought to be tolerated anywhere," Awwad-Rafferty
>said.
> > > "But you don't fight hatred with hatred."
> > >
> > > The Islamic community at UI is growing, Ghazanfar said. Since Sept. 11
> > > more Muslims are returning to the U.S. There are more than 25 Islamic
> > > faculty members, he said.  Movements such as this week are extremely
> > > counterproductive as far recruiting foreign students, especially from
>the
> > > Islamic world, Ghazanfar said.  "We are doing everything possible and
> > > organizing things on campus to create more harmony and unity," he
>said, "but
> > > a group is here to create exclusiveness."  The movement is
>inflammatory and
> > > has incorrect information, Awwad-Rafferty said.  "It is important to
>assure
> > > everybody they will not be harmed," Awwad-Rafferty said. "The fear of
>being
> > > harmed is, in my opinion, equivalent to being harmed."
> > >
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