[Vision2020] Water Concern?
jeanlivingston
jeanlivingston at turbonet.com
Sat Oct 20 16:59:13 PDT 2007
Matt, installing water saving sprinkler systems in city parks is
fine with me too. I recognize the conservation value of them and
agree with your suggestion that replacing hose irrigation with a more
efficient sprinkler system is environmentally sound and reduces water
usage by 30%.
That's part of why I came to you for the sprinkler system job at my
house, not to mention my commitment to buy local.
If I am the person you're aiming at with your smear at an MCA
member with a 10,000 sq foot lawn that "refused to xeriscape" against
your advice, I question how you get to "hypocrisy" and my not
practicing water conservation, since I have had the brown lawn on
Arborcrest the past three years, (despite our very rare watering
attempts with a hose and yellow sprinkler that we moved around the
yard). I have an acre lot, half of which is unirrigated hillside
behind my house that I'm putting back into native grasses after
Ifinish killing off the canadian thistle I inherited. I have
significant non-lawn, mulched beds that you and I discussed at length
would be getting drip lines; we agreed that was also very efficient
and water conserving. In one side yard I have a hillside between
myself and the neighbor's that was in lawn, and our (as yet unsigned)
contract gives me two prices based on whether or not I want to have
that remain lawn or become something that uses less water. So I
think you would have to agree that conservation is being considered
very seriously there, too. That brings us to my one larger patch of
lawn in my other side yard, on which you suggested that I build a
xeriscaped mound in the middle. If you think that refusing to put a
xeriscaped mound in the middle of my one flat piece of grass that
could act as a soccer, football or whiffle ball field for my 9 and 5
year old kids makes me anti-conservation, well, then, you go right
ahead in thinking that way.
I think the neighborhood would agree that my place uses a lot less
water than my friend and neighbor with the lush green lawn, who shall
remain nameless out of respect to him because he at least is
respectful, kind, and a good guy.
I came to you, knowing our political differences, but put them aside
because I want to support the community's businesses over your
competitor in Pullman, and I gave you a substantial deposit without a
contract knowing that a portion would probably enrich the GMA PAC's
coffers.
Were you having a bad day this morning? I hope you have that
excuse.
Bruce
-----Original message-----
From: Matt Decker mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:04:53 -0700
To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com, Bruce and Jean
Livingstonjeanlivingston at turbonet.com, vision2020 at moscow.com, Mark
Solomonmsolomon at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
>
> G,
>
> Furthermore, why are there parks in the cow that Moscow doesn't have
automatic sprinklers installed. Or why does our mayor have a bigger
lawn area than Lmabert and Krauss. Or why do I have costumers in the
Mca who have 10,000+ sq ft lawns, all of which I had tried to talk
into xeriscaping most of it but refused. Or why don't they put their
money where there mouth is. Why, because Moscow is full of hypocrites.
Hypocrites who would love to have their agenda filled but give two
shits about blue collared folks like you and I.
>
> Sure they say they want smart growth. Growth like a Schwietzer. One
that will bring more "smart" people. So Heres my question to MCA and
like. Where will these people live? Oh yeah new houses. Houses that of
course will use more water. We can be as conservative as we want with
water, but more people=more water usage.
>
> Idaho is one of the three fastest growing states.If Moscow is going
to grow at all, we need to learn how we can ALL benefit from each
other. MCA and GMA both have good ideas. Conserving water while
growing. How? A resevoir. Helped paid for by grants, taxes and
developers.
>
> In the mean time people need to quit with the name calling and the
hypocrisy. Put your money where your mouth is and start conserving
like GMA members are.
>
> Matt
>
> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> To: jeanlivingston at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com;
msolomon at moscow.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:36:42 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
>
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> Interesting. If the incumbent candidates you favor
> are so concerned (and "responsible") with water usage in Moscow,
unlike their
> challengers, why did the city of Moscow not follow itsown
regulations for lawn
> watering? The grass (and sidewalks) around city hall sure received
more than its
> fair share of water as did gormley mtn. view and east city park. Why
do
> they continually favor the dedication of additional park land? Land
which, like
> the golf course in Pullman, will require huge amounts of water to
maintain. I
> have not heard the candidates your organization endorses make any
resolutions to
> address the water issues in Moscow other than in the form of
anti-growth
> anti-business rhetoric. If it's outrageous to want to have a green
lawn and an
> aesthetically pleasant and restful cemetery why not apply the same
standard to
> city property? (300 sq. ft. of xeriscape at the 1912 bldg. excepted,
of course.)
> I believe that as far as the MCA candidates are concerned the water
issue is a
> tool first and a genuine concern a distant second.
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> Bruce and Jean Livingston
> To: g. crabtree ; vision2020 at moscow.com ; Mark Solomon
>
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:20
> PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water
> Concern?
>
>
> Gary says, while discussing Mark's suggestion that the
> Wanapum aquifer likely will be in crisis mode in 15-20 years:
>
> "Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 years?
> Could be we really don't know
> for sure? Could be that Krauss,
> Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle
> on the water situation as
> any of the MCA candidates do."
> Not so, Gary. The GMA candidates are "ostriches"
> with their collective heads in the sand. And they are very poor
stewards
> of the environment.
>
> I think if you followthe usage curves for when the
> Wanapum got depleted once before, our current usage curves and
increase
> in number of wells going dry shows that we are going down the same
path
> and very likely going to be facing the "crisis" referenced by Mark
in about
> 15-20 years (not the century or more that you speculate) -- unless
> we do something to curb usage of the Wanapum. We had to do this once
> before, more than 40 years ago, when we essentially stopped pumping
the
> Wanapum in the City of Moscow because the Wanapum was going dry.
> We (City of Moscow) punched a well into the Grand Ronde aquifer and
started
> pumping it, instead, which allowed the Wanapum to re-charge. We
> started drawing on the Wanapum again, more recently (80s?), and the
> usage is tracking what went on in the first half to mid-20th
> century.
>
> I have several nearby friendswithin a mile of Moscow
> whose wells have gone dry this year. It is fact, not a mirage or
> doomsaying, and the failure of the GMA candidates to learn from
history while
> they watch it repeat itself is quite remarkable. I would suggest
that it
> shows just how foolhardy they are, and I really get a kick out of
those GMA
> PAC ads showing swimmers splashing around in lots of water, while
their
> candidates essentially say "use more and grow green lawns," and
"don't
> worry about frittering it away; since Pullman is, we should too."
>
> That race to consume, just like WSU's decision to throw
> 50 million gallons on a golf course, is environmentally
irresponsible conduct
> of a very high order. GMA candidates don't chastise Pullman for
that;
> they instead assert that we shouldn't bother to conserve and not
have green
> lawns, since they're notconserving across the border in Pullman and
at
> WSU.
>
> I'll take the more responsible attitude of the MCA
> candidates. No surprise there, of course.
>
> We'll watch out for our water. We'll protect
> property rights and value in doing so, while protecting
neighborhoods and
> encouraging development that creates real jobs that drive an
economy, not just
> retail and housing.
>
> http://www.moscowcivic.org/
>
> And we will continue to do responsible things that are
> good for the City of Moscow, like opposing the Naylor Farms strip
mining
> project, unlike the GMA.
>
> Bruce
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "g. crabtree"
> To: "Joe Campbell" ; ; "Mark
> Solomon"
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water
> Concern?
>
> >I assume the
> statement that includes "...regarding
> > the upper aquifer which if
> continued to be pumped at current levels could be
> > in crisis as soon
> as 15-20 years from now." is couched that way to leave
> > room for the
> obvious corollary?
> >
> > Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120
> years? Could be we really don't know
> > for sure? Could be that Krauss,
> Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle
> > on the water situation as
> any of the MCA candidates do.
> >
> > g
> > ----- Original
> Message -----
> > From: "Mark Solomon"
> > To:
> "JoeCampbell" ;
> > Sent:
> Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water
> Concern?
> >
> >
> >> I'd suggest the GMA candidates do some
> homework and actually read
> >> some of the studies/reports on our
> aquifer, particularly regarding
> >> the upper aquifer which if
> continued to be pumped at current levels
> >> could be in crisis as
> soon as 15-20 years from now. That aquifer
> >> currently supplies 30%
> of Moscow's water.
> >>
> >> m.
> >>
> >> At 11:51
> AM -0700 10/18/07, Joe Campbell wrote:
> >>> >From the
> Johnson article noted above:
> >>>
> >>>"I think it's been
> used as a wayto stop growth in our town and I
> >>>don't think
> that's a great idea," Carscallen said of the water
> issue.
> >>>
> >>>"We don't have a water emergency. I
> think most of us can agree to
> >>>that," said Krauss. "We could
> have, at the least, 200 years of water
> >>>left. ... But right now,
> folks, I'm just really tired of seeing all
> >>>our yards just
> burned up, including the cemetery."
> >>>
> >>>"I know
> that there are people who believe that we should be
> >>>showering
> with 5-gallon buckets, to flush our toilets with when we
> >>>get
> through," said Steed. "And I really don't want to live that
> way."
> >>>
> >>>Carscallen, Krauss andSte! ed are all
> endorsed by the GMA.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>Joe
> Campbell
> >>
> >>
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