<p>Matt, installing water saving sprinkler systems in city parks is fine with me too. I recognize the conservation value of them and agree with your suggestion that replacing hose irrigation with a more efficient sprinkler system is environmentally sound and reduces water usage by 30%.</p><p> </p><p>That's part of why I came to you for the sprinkler system job at my house, not to mention my commitment to buy local. </p><p> </p><p>If I am the person you're aiming at with your smear at an MCA member with a 10,000 sq foot lawn that "refused to xeriscape" against your advice, I question how you get to "hypocrisy" and my not practicing water conservation, since I have had the brown lawn on Arborcrest the past three years, (despite our very rare watering attempts with a hose and yellow sprinkler that we moved around the yard). I have an acre lot, half of which is unirrigated hillside behind my house that I'm putting back into native grasses af!
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finish killing off the canadian thistle I inherited. I have significant non-lawn, mulched beds that you and I discussed at length would be getting drip lines; we agreed that was also very efficient and water conserving. In one side yard I have a hillside between myself and the neighbor's that was in lawn, and our (as yet unsigned) contract gives me two prices based on whether or not I want to have that remain lawn or become something that uses less water. So I think you would have to agree that conservation is being considered very seriously there, too. That brings us to my one larger patch of lawn in my other side yard, on which you suggested that I build a xeriscaped mound in the middle. If you think that refusing to put a xeriscaped mound in the middle of my one flat piece of grass that could act as a soccer, football or whiffle ball field for my 9 and 5 year old kids makes me anti-conservation, well, then, you go right ahead in thinking that way.
</p><p> </p><p>I think the neighborhood would agree that my place uses a lot less water than my friend and neighbor with the lush green lawn, who shall remain nameless out of respect to him because he at least is respectful, kind, and a good guy. </p><p> </p><p>I came to you, knowing our political differences, but put them aside because I want to support the community's businesses over your competitor in Pullman, and I gave you a substantial deposit without a contract knowing that a portion would probably enrich the GMA PAC's coffers. </p><p /><p>Were you having a bad day this morning? I hope you have that excuse.</p><p /><p>Bruce</p><p /><p><br />-----Original message-----<br />From: Matt Decker mattd2107@hotmail.com<br />Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 09:04:53 -0700<br />To: "g. crabtree" jampot@roadrunner.com, Bruce and Jean Livingstonjeanlivingston@turbonet.com, vision2020@moscow.com, Mark Solomonmsolomon@moscow.com<br />Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Water Conce!
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/><br />> <br />> G,<br />> <br />> Furthermore, why are there parks in the cow that Moscow doesn't have automatic sprinklers installed. Or why does our mayor have a bigger lawn area than Lmabert and Krauss. Or why do I have costumers in the Mca who have 10,000+ sq ft lawns, all of which I had tried to talk into xeriscaping most of it but refused. Or why don't they put their money where there mouth is. Why, because Moscow is full of hypocrites. Hypocrites who would love to have their agenda filled but give two shits about blue collared folks like you and I. <br />> <br />> Sure they say they want smart growth. Growth like a Schwietzer. One that will bring more "smart" people. So Heres my question to MCA and like. Where will these people live? Oh yeah new houses. Houses that of course will use more water. We can be as conservative as we want with water, but more people=more water usage.<br />> <br />> Idaho is one of the three fastest growing!
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If Moscow is going to grow at all, we need to learn how we can ALL benefit from each other. MCA and GMA both have good ideas. Conserving water while growing. How? A resevoir. Helped paid for by grants, taxes and developers.<br />> <br />> In the mean time people need to quit with the name calling and the hypocrisy. Put your money where your mouth is and start conserving like GMA members are. <br />> <br />> Matt<br />> <br />> From: jampot@roadrunner.com<br />> To: jeanlivingston@turbonet.com; vision2020@moscow.com; msolomon@moscow.com<br />> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 19:36:42 -0700<br />> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> Interesting. If the incumbent candidates you favor <br />> are so concerned (and "responsible") with water usage in Moscow, unlike their <br />> challengers, why did the city of Moscow not fo!
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own regulations for lawn <br />> watering? The grass (and sidewalks) around city hall sure received more than its <br />> fair share of water as did gormley mtn. view and east city park. Why do <br />> they continually favor the dedication of additional park land? Land which, like <br />> the golf course in Pullman, will require huge amounts of water to maintain. I <br />> have not heard the candidates your organization endorses make any resolutions to <br />> address the water issues in Moscow other than in the form of anti-growth <br />> anti-business rhetoric. If it's outrageous to want to have a green lawn and an <br />> aesthetically pleasant and restful cemetery why not apply the same standard to <br />> city property? (300 sq. ft. of xeriscape at the 1912 bldg. excepted, of course.) <br />> I believe that as far as the MCA candidates are concerned the water issue is a <br />> tool first and a genuine concern a distant second.<br />>!
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/>> g<br />> <br />> ----- Original Message ----- <br />> From: <br />> Bruce and Jean Livingston <br />> To: g. crabtree ; vision2020@moscow.com ; Mark Solomon <br />> <br />> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:20 <br />> PM<br />> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water <br />> Concern?<br />> <br />> <br />> Gary says, while discussing Mark's suggestion that the <br />> Wanapum aquifer likely will be in crisis mode in 15-20 years:<br />> <br />> "Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 years? <br />> Could be we really don't know <br />> for sure? Could be that Krauss, <br />> Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle <br />> on the water situation as <br />> any of the MCA candidates do."<br />> Not so, Gary. The GMA candidates are "ostriches" <br />> with their collective heads in the sand. And they are very poor stewards <br />> of the environment. <br />> <br />> I think if y!
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the usage curves for when the <br />> Wanapum got depleted once before, our current usage curves and increase <br />> in number of wells going dry shows that we are going down the same path <br />> and very likely going to be facing the "crisis" referenced by Mark in about <br />> 15-20 years (not the century or more that you speculate) -- unless <br />> we do something to curb usage of the Wanapum. We had to do this once <br />> before, more than 40 years ago, when we essentially stopped pumping the <br />> Wanapum in the City of Moscow because the Wanapum was going dry. <br />> We (City of Moscow) punched a well into the Grand Ronde aquifer and started <br />> pumping it, instead, which allowed the Wanapum to re-charge. We <br />> started drawing on the Wanapum again, more recently (80s?), and the <br />> usage is tracking what went on in the first half to mid-20th <br />> century.<br />> <br />> I have several nearby fri!
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within a mile of Moscow <br />> whose wells have gone dry this year. It is fact, not a mirage or <br />> doomsaying, and the failure of the GMA candidates to learn from history while <br />> they watch it repeat itself is quite remarkable. I would suggest that it <br />> shows just how foolhardy they are, and I really get a kick out of those GMA <br />> PAC ads showing swimmers splashing around in lots of water, while their <br />> candidates essentially say "use more and grow green lawns," and "don't <br />> worry about frittering it away; since Pullman is, we should too."<br />> <br />> That race to consume, just like WSU's decision to throw <br />> 50 million gallons on a golf course, is environmentally irresponsible conduct <br />> of a very high order. GMA candidates don't chastise Pullman for that; <br />> they instead assert that we shouldn't bother to conserve and not have green <br />> lawns, since they're n!
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conserving across the border in Pullman and at <br />> WSU. <br />> <br />> I'll take the more responsible attitude of the MCA <br />> candidates. No surprise there, of course. <br />> <br />> We'll watch out for our water. We'll protect <br />> property rights and value in doing so, while protecting neighborhoods and <br />> encouraging development that creates real jobs that drive an economy, not just <br />> retail and housing. <br />> <br />> http://www.moscowcivic.org/<br />> <br />> And we will continue to do responsible things that are <br />> good for the City of Moscow, like opposing the Naylor Farms strip mining <br />> project, unlike the GMA. <br />> <br />> Bruce<br />> <br />> ----- Original Message ----- <br />> From: "g. crabtree" <jampot@roadrunner.com /><br />> To: "Joe Campbell" <joekc@adelphia.net />; <vision2020@moscow.com />; "Mark <br />> Solomon"
<msolomon@moscow.com /><br />> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM<br />> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water <br />> Concern?<br />> <br />> >I assume the <br />> statement that includes "...regarding<br />> > the upper aquifer which if <br />> continued to be pumped at current levels could be <br />> > in crisis as soon <br />> as 15-20 years from now." is couched that way to leave <br />> > room for the <br />> obvious corollary?<br />> > <br />> > Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 <br />> years? Could be we really don't know <br />> > for sure? Could be that Krauss, <br />> Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle <br />> > on the water situation as <br />> any of the MCA candidates do.<br />> > <br />> > g<br />> > ----- Original <br />> Message ----- <br />> > From: "Mark Solomon" <msolomon@moscow.com /><br />> > To: <br />> !
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Campbell" <joekc@adelphia.net />; <vision2020@moscow.com /><br />> > Sent: <br />> Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:34 PM<br />> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water <br />> Concern?<br />> > <br />> > <br />> >> I'd suggest the GMA candidates do some <br />> homework and actually read<br />> >> some of the studies/reports on our <br />> aquifer, particularly regarding<br />> >> the upper aquifer which if <br />> continued to be pumped at current levels<br />> >> could be in crisis as <br />> soon as 15-20 years from now. That aquifer<br />> >> currently supplies 30% <br />> of Moscow's water.<br />> >><br />> >> m.<br />> >><br />> >> At 11:51 <br />> AM -0700 10/18/07, Joe Campbell wrote:<br />> >>> >From the <br />> Johnson article noted above:<br />> >>><br />> >>>"I think it's been <br />> used a!
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to stop growth in our town and I<br />> >>>don't think <br />> that's a great idea," Carscallen said of the water <br />> issue.<br />> >>><br />> >>>"We don't have a water emergency. I <br />> think most of us can agree to<br />> >>>that," said Krauss. "We could <br />> have, at the least, 200 years of water<br />> >>>left. ... But right now, <br />> folks, I'm just really tired of seeing all<br />> >>>our yards just <br />> burned up, including the cemetery."<br />> >>><br />> >>>"I know <br />> that there are people who believe that we should be<br />> >>>showering <br />> with 5-gallon buckets, to flush our toilets with when we<br />> >>>get <br />> through," said Steed. "And I really don't want to live that <br />> way."<br />> >>><br />> >>>Carscallen, K!
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