[Vision2020] Water Concern?

Matt Decker mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Sat Oct 20 13:32:11 PDT 2007


Bill,

Wouldn't it be better for our unknown water situation to then install automatic systems in these parks, saving 30% water? I know it costs money, but let's make it a priority.

Matt



From: london at moscow.com
To: jampot at roadrunner.com; jeanlivingston at turbonet.com; vision2020 at moscow.com; msolomon at moscow.com
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:04:33 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?










Before accusing the city of Moscow of massive 
hypocracy in watering parkland, perhaps you should discuss this issue with the 
parks department people.
I did.
Their reason for watering the grass is safety 
and liability.  Dry playfields are less "bouncy" than green lawns.  
Kids get hurt more playing on dry grass than on green grass.
So, the parks department opts for 
safety.
BL

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  g. 
  crabtree 
  To: Bruce and Jean Livingston ; vision2020 at moscow.com ; Mark Solomon 
  
  Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:36 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water 
  Concern?
  

  Interesting. If the incumbent candidates you 
  favor are so concerned (and "responsible") with water usage in Moscow, unlike 
  their challengers, why did the city of Moscow not follow its own regulations 
  for lawn watering? The grass (and sidewalks) around city hall sure received 
  more than its fair share of water as did gormley mtn. view and east city 
  park. Why do they continually favor the dedication of additional park land? 
  Land which, like the golf course in Pullman, will require huge amounts of 
  water to maintain. I have not heard the candidates your organization endorses 
  make any resolutions to address the water issues in Moscow other than in the 
  form of anti-growth anti-business rhetoric. If it's outrageous to want to have 
  a green lawn and an aesthetically pleasant and restful cemetery why not apply 
  the same standard to city property? (300 sq. ft. of xeriscape at the 1912 
  bldg. excepted, of course.) I believe that as far as the MCA candidates are 
  concerned the water issue is a tool first and a genuine concern a distant 
  second.
   
  g
  
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: 
    Bruce and Jean Livingston 
    
    To: g. crabtree ; vision2020 at moscow.com ; Mark Solomon 
    
    Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:20 
    PM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water 
    Concern?
    

    Gary says, while discussing Mark's suggestion that the 
    Wanapum aquifer likely will be in crisis mode in 15-20 years:
    
      "Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 
      years? Could be we really don't know 
for sure? Could be that Krauss, 
      Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle 
on the water situation as 
      any of the MCA candidates do."
    Not so, Gary.  The GMA candidates are "ostriches" 
    with their collective heads in the sand.  And they are very poor 
    stewards of the environment. 
     
    I think if you follow the usage curves for when the 
    Wanapum got depleted once before, our current usage curves and increase 
    in number of wells going dry shows that we are going down the same path 
    and very likely going to be facing the "crisis" referenced by Mark in about 
    15-20 years (not the century or more that you speculate) -- unless 
    we do something to curb usage of the Wanapum.  We had to do this once 
    before, more than 40 years ago, when we essentially stopped pumping the 
    Wanapum in the City of Moscow  because the Wanapum was going dry.  
    We (City of Moscow) punched a well into the Grand Ronde aquifer and started 
    pumping it, instead, which allowed the Wanapum to re-charge.   We 
    started drawing on the Wanapum again, more recently (80s?), and 
    the usage is tracking what went on in the first half to mid-20th 
    century.
     
    I have several nearby friends within a mile of Moscow 
    whose wells have gone dry this year.  It is fact, not a mirage or 
    doomsaying, and the failure of the GMA candidates to learn from history 
    while they watch it repeat itself is quite remarkable.  I would suggest 
    that it shows just how foolhardy they are, and I really get a kick out of 
    those GMA PAC ads showing swimmers splashing around in lots of water, 
    while their candidates essentially say "use more and grow green 
    lawns," and "don't worry about frittering it away; since Pullman is, we 
    should too."
     
    That race to consume, just like WSU's decision to 
    throw 50 million gallons on a golf course, is environmentally irresponsible 
    conduct of a very high order.  GMA candidates don't chastise Pullman 
    for that; they instead assert that we shouldn't bother to conserve and not 
    have green lawns, since they're not conserving  across the border in 
    Pullman and at WSU.  
     
    I'll take the more responsible attitude of the MCA 
    candidates.  No surprise there, of course.  
     
    We'll  watch out for our water.  We'll 
    protect property rights and value in doing so, while protecting 
    neighborhoods and encouraging development that creates real jobs that drive 
    an economy, not just retail and housing.  
     
    http://www.moscowcivic.org/
     
    And we will continue to do responsible things that are 
    good for the City of Moscow, like opposing the Naylor Farms strip 
    mining project, unlike the GMA.  
     
    Bruce
     
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: "g. crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
    To: "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "Mark 
    Solomon" <msolomon at moscow.com>
    Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM
    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water 
    Concern?
    
>I assume the 
    statement that includes "...regarding
> the upper aquifer which if 
    continued to be pumped at current levels could be 
> in crisis as soon 
    as 15-20 years from now." is couched that way to leave 
> room for the 
    obvious corollary?
> 
> Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 
    years? Could be we really don't know 
> for sure? Could be that 
    Krauss, Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle 
> on the water 
    situation as any of the MCA candidates do.
> 
> g
> ----- 
    Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Solomon" <msolomon at moscow.com>
> To: 
    "Joe Campbell" <joekc at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> 
    Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] 
    Water Concern?
> 
> 
>> I'd suggest the GMA candidates 
    do some homework and actually read
>> some of the studies/reports 
    on our aquifer, particularly regarding
>> the upper aquifer which 
    if continued to be pumped at current levels
>> could be in crisis 
    as soon as 15-20 years from now. That aquifer
>> currently supplies 
    30% of Moscow's water.
>>
>> m.
>>
>> At 
    11:51 AM -0700 10/18/07, Joe Campbell wrote:
>>>  >From 
    the Johnson article noted above:
>>>
>>>"I think 
    it's been used as a way to stop growth in our town and 
    I
>>>don't think that's a great idea," Carscallen said of the 
    water issue.
>>>
>>>"We don't have a water 
    emergency. I think most of us can agree to
>>>that," said 
    Krauss. "We could have, at the least, 200 years of 
    water
>>>left. ... But right now, folks, I'm just really tired 
    of seeing all
>>>our yards just burned up, including the 
    cemetery."
>>>
>>>"I know that there are people who 
    believe that we should be
>>>showering with 5-gallon buckets, to 
    flush our toilets with when we
>>>get through," said Steed. "And 
    I really don't want to live that 
    way."
>>>
>>>Carscallen, Krauss and Ste! ed are all 
    endorsed by the GMA.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Joe 
    Campbell
>>
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