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Bill,<br><br>Wouldn't it be better for our unknown water situation to then install automatic systems in these parks, saving 30% water? I know it costs money, but let's make it a priority.<br><br>Matt<br><br><br><br><blockquote><hr>From: london@moscow.com<br>To: jampot@roadrunner.com; jeanlivingston@turbonet.com; vision2020@moscow.com; msolomon@moscow.com<br>Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 13:04:33 -0700<br>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br><br>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Before accusing the city of Moscow of massive
hypocracy in watering parkland, perhaps you should discuss this issue with the
parks department people.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I did.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Their reason for watering the grass is safety
and liability. Dry playfields are less "bouncy" than green lawns.
Kids get hurt more playing on dry grass than on green grass.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">So, the parks department opts for
safety.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">BL</font></div>
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<a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">g.
crabtree</a> </div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="jeanlivingston@turbonet.com" target="_blank">Bruce and Jean Livingston</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> ; <a title="msolomon@moscow.com" target="_blank">Mark Solomon</a>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:36
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Water
Concern?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Interesting. If the incumbent candidates you
favor are so concerned (and "responsible") with water usage in Moscow, unlike
their challengers, why did the city of Moscow not follow its own regulations
for lawn watering? The grass (and sidewalks) around city hall sure received
more than its fair share of water as did gormley mtn. view and east city
park. Why do they continually favor the dedication of additional park land?
Land which, like the golf course in Pullman, will require huge amounts of
water to maintain. I have not heard the candidates your organization endorses
make any resolutions to address the water issues in Moscow other than in the
form of anti-growth anti-business rhetoric. If it's outrageous to want to have
a green lawn and an aesthetically pleasant and restful cemetery why not apply
the same standard to city property? (300 sq. ft. of xeriscape at the 1912
bldg. excepted, of course.) I believe that as far as the MCA candidates are
concerned the water issue is a tool first and a genuine concern a distant
second.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">g</font></div>
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<a title="jeanlivingston@turbonet.com" target="_blank">Bruce and Jean Livingston</a>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="jampot@roadrunner.com" target="_blank">g. crabtree</a> ; <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" target="_blank">vision2020@moscow.com</a> ; <a title="msolomon@moscow.com" target="_blank">Mark Solomon</a>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 18, 2007 5:20
PM</div>
<div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Water
Concern?</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Gary says, while discussing Mark's suggestion that the
Wanapum aquifer likely will be in crisis mode in 15-20 years:</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"></font>"Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120
years? Could be we really don't know <br>for sure? Could be that Krauss,
Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle <br>on the water situation as
any of the MCA candidates do."</div></blockquote>
<div><font face="Arial">Not so, Gary. The GMA candidates are "ostriches"
with their collective heads in the sand. And they are very poor
stewards of the environment. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">I think if you follow the usage curves for when the
Wanapum got depleted once before, our current usage curves and increase
in number of wells going dry shows that we are going down the same path
and very likely going to be facing the "crisis" referenced by Mark in about
15-20 years (not the century or more that you speculate) -- unless
we do something to curb usage of the Wanapum. We had to do this once
before, more than 40 years ago, when we essentially stopped pumping the
Wanapum in the City of Moscow because the Wanapum was going dry.
We (City of Moscow) punched a well into the Grand Ronde aquifer and started
pumping it, instead, which allowed the Wanapum to re-charge. We
started drawing on the Wanapum again, more recently (80s?), and
the usage is tracking what went on in the first half to mid-20th
century.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">I have several nearby friends within a mile of Moscow
whose wells have gone dry this year. It is fact, not a mirage or
doomsaying, and the failure of the GMA candidates to learn from history
while they watch it repeat itself is quite remarkable. I would suggest
that it shows just how foolhardy they are, and I really get a kick out of
those GMA PAC ads showing swimmers splashing around in lots of water,
while their candidates essentially say "use more and grow green
lawns," and "don't worry about frittering it away; since Pullman is, we
should too."</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">That race to consume, just like WSU's decision to
throw 50 million gallons on a golf course, is environmentally irresponsible
conduct of a very high order. GMA candidates don't chastise Pullman
for that; they instead assert that we shouldn't bother to conserve and not
have green lawns, since they're not conserving across the border in
Pullman and at WSU. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">I'll take the more responsible attitude of the MCA
candidates. No surprise there, of course. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">We'll watch out for our water. We'll
protect property rights and value in doing so, while protecting
neighborhoods and encouraging development that creates real jobs that drive
an economy, not just retail and housing. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial"><a target="_blank">http://www.moscowcivic.org/</a></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">And we will continue to do responsible things that are
good for the City of Moscow, like opposing the Naylor Farms strip
mining project, unlike the GMA. </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">Bruce</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">----- Original Message ----- </font>
<div><font face="Arial">From: "g. crabtree" <</font><a target="_blank"><font face="Arial">jampot@roadrunner.com</font></a><font face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">To: "Joe Campbell" <</font><a target="_blank"><font face="Arial">joekc@adelphia.net</font></a><font face="Arial">>; <</font><a target="_blank"><font face="Arial">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial">>; "Mark
Solomon" <</font><a target="_blank"><font face="Arial">msolomon@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial">></font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial">Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water
Concern?</font></div></div>
<div><font face="Arial"><br></font></div><font face="Arial">>I assume the
statement that includes "...regarding<br>> the upper aquifer which if
continued to be pumped at current levels could be <br>> in crisis as soon
as 15-20 years from now." is couched that way to leave <br>> room for the
obvious corollary?<br>> <br>> Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120
years? Could be we really don't know <br>> for sure? Could be that
Krauss, Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a handle <br>> on the water
situation as any of the MCA candidates do.<br>> <br>> g<br>> -----
Original Message ----- <br>> From: "Mark Solomon" <</font><a target="_blank"><font face="Arial">msolomon@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial">><br>> To:
"Joe Campbell" <</font><a target="_blank"><font face="Arial">joekc@adelphia.net</font></a><font face="Arial">>; <</font><a target="_blank"><font face="Arial">vision2020@moscow.com</font></a><font face="Arial">><br>>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 2:34 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Water Concern?<br>> <br>> <br>>> I'd suggest the GMA candidates
do some homework and actually read<br>>> some of the studies/reports
on our aquifer, particularly regarding<br>>> the upper aquifer which
if continued to be pumped at current levels<br>>> could be in crisis
as soon as 15-20 years from now. That aquifer<br>>> currently supplies
30% of Moscow's water.<br>>><br>>> m.<br>>><br>>> At
11:51 AM -0700 10/18/07, Joe Campbell wrote:<br>>>> >From
the Johnson article noted above:<br>>>><br>>>>"I think
it's been used as a way to stop growth in our town and
I<br>>>>don't think that's a great idea," Carscallen said of the
water issue.<br>>>><br>>>>"We don't have a water
emergency. I think most of us can agree to<br>>>>that," said
Krauss. "We could have, at the least, 200 years of
water<br>>>>left. ... But right now, folks, I'm just really tired
of seeing all<br>>>>our yards just burned up, including the
cemetery."<br>>>><br>>>>"I know that there are people who
believe that we should be<br>>>>showering with 5-gallon buckets, to
flush our toilets with when we<br>>>>get through," said Steed. "And
I really don't want to live that
way."<br>>>><br>>>>Carscallen, Krauss and Ste! ed are all
endorsed by the GMA.<br>>>><br>>>>--<br>>>>Joe
Campbell<br>>><br>>>
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