[Vision2020] Water Concern?

[Matt Decker]

Mark,

Yes Mark I do recall you mentioning that the city allocated I believe 30k for this. A great step. I am curious though how many more studies will come before the resevoir is built. 10 year? 20?

We all know that everything costs money. Doesn't action speak louder than words. Lets quit with some of these studies and start using some of that money for our community. Such as paving all streets in Moscow and Sprinklers for these parks.

Matt

Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:04:55 -0700
To: mattd2107 at hotmail.com; jeanlivingston at turbonet.com; privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
From: msolomon at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?





Matt,


I may know more about what's going on reservoir-wise than
Bruce.


The City Council authorized spending city $$ on a reservoir
feasibility study, the necessary first step before engineering/design,
over a year ago in the last budget cycle. The Council and the Mayor do
not spend the money, the staff does. Staff, for whatever reason, 
is only just now getting around to preparing a request for proposals.
Government is a slow beast. Staff have many calls on their time.


Do I think that's a good excuse? No. I would have fired most of
the city staff long ago if that was my job, but it isn't. It's not the
Council's either. The mayor can fire staff, but only after adequately
documenting a failure to perform to expectation. One senior staff
member is no longer working for the city.


As far as the parks go, I couldn't agree with you more, but again
there is working reality. Wishing to make something happen doesn't
make it happen. That takes $$ and manpower which again is a
prioritization of resources issue largely controlled by staff.


m.




At 10:38 AM -0700 10/20/07, Matt Decker wrote:
Bruce,



I stand corrected on the MCA backing of a resevoir. I am glad to here
it. Let me ask you this though. Why has your MCA backed mayor along
with Stout, done nothing about it, other than the never ending
studies? Why if the MCA likes Holmes, did you not endorse him. Why do
members of the MCA talk a big game about water conservation, but yet
we have numerous parks in town being watered by hose. Why don't I see
more MCA members practicing xeriscape?



Bruce I try to live my life in the middle. To listed to both sides.
What I am seeing in Moscow is a bunch of name calling, but all I see
is hypocrisy.



Matt



Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 10:01:33 -0700

From: jeanlivingston at turbonet.com

To: mattd2107 at hotmail.com; privatejf32 at hotmail.com;
vision2020 at moscow.com

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?



Matt, I'm surprised to hear you repeating falsehoods; usually you have
been fair about things and not so blind politically as to make such
obviously false and uninformed comments.  Allow me to correct
your erroneous statement that "MCA conservationists [yes, you are
correct in calling us "conservationists"] don't like it [a
proposal to build a reservoir]."



Here is what the MCA web site, http://www.moscowcivic.org/ , says about our position on water:  we support a
reservoir, fifth paragraph of text under "What the MCA Stands
For."

"Supporting water conservation
measures and the development of a city reservoir, while opposing
injection of our aquifers, thereby protecting our diminishing aquifers
while providing renewable water resources to support growth in
Moscow."



Further, ! http://www.moscowcivic.org/communityissues/watersolutions.html , our Water Solutions page says this:

"Water issues are critical ones for the future of our
community in both Moscow and the entire Palouse region. The Moscow
Civic Association is seeking to be a leader in trying to identify
potential solutions to our complex water problem by hosting public
forums on the topic and continuing to serve as a facilitator to
maintain public awareness and pressure on public officials to
meaningfully address this problem. Conservation of our limited water
supplies, and perhaps even bolder initiatives (such as potentially
building a reservoir) are all things we must consider if we are to
preserve the water we need for public and business use in our
community."



Moreover, our "Water Solutions" page inclu! des
a variety of documents that tracks our efforts in this important area,
and you will see that we, not the GMA, are the ones who have done
something positive on this issue, including hosting a forum on whether
and how to build a reservoir.  The Daily News followed our lead
and called for a reservoir feasibility study by the City in a link
that is also on our "water solutions" page.  The
Council has since budgeted for and is working on a reservoir
 feasibility study.  You can thank the MCA and our positive
efforts on this for that development.


You are therefore also wrong regarding the incumbent
candidates, who have supported and funded a feasibility study for a
reservoir.  They are working for it, too.  Challenger Evan
Holmes has expressly stated that the time for study is past, because
no matter what, we know we have enough water "issues" to
know that we need to pro-actively work toward a solution, and we
ought to sta! rt socking money away in a capital account for use on
whatever solution we ultimately decide to pursue, because it will be
expensive.


At the AARP forum  on Friday, Walter Steed reacted to
the brouhaha over the GMA candidates' reported differences on water
that were expressed at Wednesday's Chamber of Commerce forum.  I
think one of Walter's suggested possible "fixes" for our
water problem -- pumping water from the Snake River -- is
laughable in terms of feasibility and expense, but even if that's the
direction that we choose to go, it is obviously expensive and we ought
to be funding these water solutions now and not just "studying"
further.  Significantly, Walter did not express support
for funding efforts to build a reservoir or pump water from the
Snake; he proposed to study the aquifers more, before undertaking more
serious efforts to fix the problem. 


The MCA has been the leader o! n this, and the GMA,
perhaps begrudgingly, is slowly following.


Bruce Livingston


P.S.  Bill Lambert is a good man, too, and I am glad
that he also supports the reservoir feasibility study.  I also
commend Paul Kimmell and Jon Kimberling for their "Water Summit"
efforts, as that valuable forum has been very helpful in educating the
entire community, including the GMA and their candidates, and of
course, the MCA's as well.












-----Original message-----

From: Matt Decker mattd2107 at hotmail.com

Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 08:34:32 -0700

To: J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com, vision2020 at moscow.com

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?



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> J,

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> Its purified but not to the extent of potable. Then you must run
a separate line to wherever you need it.

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> I have brought up this idea but doing it from a resevoir. No! t
as much cleaning of the water, just filtration. Some how our MCA water
conservationists don't like it. But people like Lambert and the GMA
DO.

>

> From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com

> To: mattd2107 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com

> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 20:53:40 -0700

> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?

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> But would/is it worth the intial cost(s)? The one community in
Washington that I heard about seems to feel it is....anyone know for
sure how this is even done and what the water quality is like? I mean,
ew! it sounds unhealthy. Obviously, it must be tested and seen to be
ok, but - I donna know........

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> J :]

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> From: mattd2107 at hotmail.com

> To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com

> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:32:13 -0700

> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concer! n?

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> J,

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> Great idea but a lot of money.

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> matt

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> From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com

> To: vision2020 at moscow.com

> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:50:11 -0700

> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?

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> There are communities that are "re-using" waste waters
for things like watering of lawns and in one community I know of, to
recycle for drinking water. Not so sure about that one, but at least
there are systems out there that attempt to do something besides just
letting the water flow on by and out.

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> Thoughts?

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> J :]

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> > Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:59:12 -0700

> > From: lfalen at turbonet.com

> > To: jeffh at moscow.com; jampot at roadrunner.com;
vision2020 at moscow.com

> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?

> >

> > Thanks Jeff for your excellent post. Like you said all of
the candidates are good civic minded people. Lets debate the issues
not personalities. Water conservation is a good policy- water on
odd,even days, in the evening, take shorter showers and many other
water saving practices should be used. With good conservation
practices moscow should be able to support economic development not
just housing and retail. Ways to capture run off should be
explored.
> > Roger

> > -----Original message-----

> > From: Jeff Harkins jeffh at moscow.com

> > Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:14:23 -0700

> > To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com

> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?

> >

> > > Gary, good to see your clear and concise comments
making a

> > &! gt; difference. Here are some of my observations.

> > >

> > > Ideologues are all around us in this region. They have
no solution

> > > to resolve the water issue (or much of any other issue)
but they

> > > follow the same tactic used since the creation of the
MCA; fear,

> > > intimidation, heckling and smearing are their tools. If
you support

> > > an organization like GMA, you are publicly chided for
supporting

> > > candidates endorsed by them. In other words, you don't
know as much

> > > as the MCA people and therefore your voices and your
opinions don't matter.

> > >

> > > Frankly, all the candidates for city council seem to be
honest,

> > > sincere and interested in doing what they perceive to
be the best

> > > things for the community. But when the actions of
supporters and/or

> > > candidates sense a challenge to their "vision for
Moscow", rather

> > > than debate the issue, they turn on the candidate and
chide them for

> > > their opinions. Wayne Krauss, Walter Steed and Dan
Carscallen are

> > > all honorable men. They have spent most of their adult
lives in this

> > > community. They have a right to be respected - for
their views, for

> > > their willingness to step up to the challenge of city
council and for

> > > their willingness to engage in honorable debate with
candidates that

> > > they don't agree with.

> > >

> > > In a similar vein, Linda Pall, Aaron Ament, Tom Lamar
and Evin Holmes

> > > are honorable folks. Most have spent a good portion of
their adult

> > > lives in Moscow and they should be respected for their
willingness to

> > > serve our community.> > >

> > > To indict any of them for their opinions and views on a
topic simply

> > > validates that our citizens should not vote for the
candidate the

> > > indictors are supporting but should vote for the
candidate being

> > > scalloped. Issues and answers and policies such as the
water

> > > question are founded first in science. Let the science
do the

> > > talking - report studies, provide links to the
scientific evidence,

> > > establish the proposition of your hypothesis and then
talk about

> > > strategies for solutions. It is "very difficult"
to resolve a

> > > problem with rhetoric and finger pointing (Joe and
Bruce, you are

> > > encouraged to think about this very carefully).

> > >

> > > This coming election will say a lot about our community
and about the

> > ! > future we chart for ourselves. It is time for the
hand-wringers to

> > > move to the sidelines. We need decisive, thoughtful and
forthright

> > > leadership to guide us through the challenges that lay
ahead. Will

> > > we have a community that can support our children and
the children of

> > > our children? Will we be able to welcome new residents
with a bundle

> > > of opportunities that entices them to stay or will we
winnow them out

> > > - because they don't fit into our lifestyle? Will we
have the type

> > > of community that encourages entrepreneurs to come here
and risk

> > > their investment capital here or will we worry
ourselves to death

> > > over whether or not this business or that business
is

> > > "acceptable"? What I have learned from
listening to the forums this

> > > past couple of yea! rs is that even if Santa Claus
wanted to move his

> > > operation here, there would be at least a handful of
people who would

> > > object to that move.

> > >

> > > For my taste, it is time for a change in Moscow.

> > >

> > > At 07:02 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:

> > > >Conservation can never be a bad idea but using the
water issue as a

> > > >club to force other ideological visions on the
community where they

> > > >don't apply (big box ordinances for one example) is
disingenuous. I

> > > >don't believe that the GMA endorsed candidates are
suggesting that

> > > >we make a desperate attempt to suck the aquifer dry
before their
> > > >terms expire. To suggest otherwise is
simply partisan politics at its worst.

> > > >

> > > >g

> > > >----- Ori! ginal Message -----

> > > >From: "Tom Hansen"
<thansen at moscow.com>

> > > >To: "'g. crabtree'"

> > > ><jampot at roadrunner.com>; "'Joe

> > > >Campbell'" <joekc at adelphia.net>;

> > > ><vision2020 at moscow.com>; "'Mark

> > > >Solomon'" <msolomon at moscow.com>

> > > >Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:29 PM

> > > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Water Concern?

> > > >

> > > > >g -

> > > > >

> > > > > You suggested that perhaps none of the city
council candidates have a firm

> > > > > handle on the water situation.

> > > > >

> > > > > If this is true, w! ouldn't it be better
advised to err on the side of

> > > > > caution?

> > > > >

> > > > > Both Lamar and Ament cited PBAC as
authorities on the figures

> > > > they presented

> > > > > yesterday at the CofC Forum. Krauss cited
"something [he] read somewhere"

> > > > > and Steed simply wants to remove limitations
and controls.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your thoughts?

> > > > >

> > > > > Seeya round town, Moscow.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tom Hansen

> > > > > Moscow, Idaho

> > > > >

> > > > > "We're a town of about 23,000 with
10,000 college students. The college

> > > > > students are not very active in local
elections (thank goodness!)."

> > > > ! >

> > > > > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)

> > > > >

> > > > > -----Original Message-----

> > > > >

> > > > > From:

> > > > vision2020-bounces at moscow.com

> > > > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]

> > > > > On Behalf Of g. crabtree

> > > > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM

> > > > > To: Joe Campbell;

> > > > vision2020 at moscow.com; Mark Solomon

> > > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?

> > > > >

> > > > > I assume the statement that includes
"...regarding

> > > > > the upper aquifer which if continued to be
pumped at current

> > > > levels could be

> > > > >

> > ! > > > in crisis as soon as 15-20 years from now."
is couched that way to leave

> > > > > room for the obvious corollary?

> > > > >

> > > > > Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 years?
Could be we really

> > > > don't know

> > > > > for sure? Could be that Krauss, Carscallen,
and Steed have as

> > > > firm a handle

> > > > > on the water situation as any of the MCA
candidates do.

> > > > >

> > > > > g

> > > > >

> > > > >

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