[Vision2020] Water Concern?
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Fri Oct 19 14:50:11 PDT 2007
There are communities that are "re-using" waste waters for things like watering of lawns and in one community I know of, to recycle for drinking water. Not so sure about that one, but at least there are systems out there that attempt to do something besides just letting the water flow on by and out.
Thoughts?
J :]
> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:59:12 -0700
> From: lfalen at turbonet.com
> To: jeffh at moscow.com; jampot at roadrunner.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
>
> Thanks Jeff for your excellent post. Like you said all of the candidates are good civic minded people. Lets debate the issues not personalities. Water conservation is a good policy- water on odd,even days, in the evening, take shorter showers and many other water saving practices should be used. With good conservation practices moscow should be able to support economic development not just housing and retail. Ways to capture run off should be explored.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Jeff Harkins jeffh at moscow.com
> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 21:14:23 -0700
> To: "g. crabtree" jampot at roadrunner.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
>
> > Gary, good to see your clear and concise comments making a
> > difference. Here are some of my observations.
> >
> > Ideologues are all around us in this region. They have no solution
> > to resolve the water issue (or much of any other issue) but they
> > follow the same tactic used since the creation of the MCA; fear,
> > intimidation, heckling and smearing are their tools. If you support
> > an organization like GMA, you are publicly chided for supporting
> > candidates endorsed by them. In other words, you don't know as much
> > as the MCA people and therefore your voices and your opinions don't matter.
> >
> > Frankly, all the candidates for city council seem to be honest,
> > sincere and interested in doing what they perceive to be the best
> > things for the community. But when the actions of supporters and/or
> > candidates sense a challenge to their "vision for Moscow", rather
> > than debate the issue, they turn on the candidate and chide them for
> > their opinions. Wayne Krauss, Walter Steed and Dan Carscallen are
> > all honorable men. They have spent most of their adult lives in this
> > community. They have a right to be respected - for their views, for
> > their willingness to step up to the challenge of city council and for
> > their willingness to engage in honorable debate with candidates that
> > they don't agree with.
> >
> > In a similar vein, Linda Pall, Aaron Ament, Tom Lamar and Evin Holmes
> > are honorable folks. Most have spent a good portion of their adult
> > lives in Moscow and they should be respected for their willingness to
> > serve our community.
> >
> > To indict any of them for their opinions and views on a topic simply
> > validates that our citizens should not vote for the candidate the
> > indictors are supporting but should vote for the candidate being
> > scalloped. Issues and answers and policies such as the water
> > question are founded first in science. Let the science do the
> > talking - report studies, provide links to the scientific evidence,
> > establish the proposition of your hypothesis and then talk about
> > strategies for solutions. It is "very difficult" to resolve a
> > problem with rhetoric and finger pointing (Joe and Bruce, you are
> > encouraged to think about this very carefully).
> >
> > This coming election will say a lot about our community and about the
> > future we chart for ourselves. It is time for the hand-wringers to
> > move to the sidelines. We need decisive, thoughtful and forthright
> > leadership to guide us through the challenges that lay ahead. Will
> > we have a community that can support our children and the children of
> > our children? Will we be able to welcome new residents with a bundle
> > of opportunities that entices them to stay or will we winnow them out
> > - because they don't fit into our lifestyle? Will we have the type
> > of community that encourages entrepreneurs to come here and risk
> > their investment capital here or will we worry ourselves to death
> > over whether or not this business or that business is
> > "acceptable"? What I have learned from listening to the forums this
> > past couple of years is that even if Santa Claus wanted to move his
> > operation here, there would be at least a handful of people who would
> > object to that move.
> >
> > For my taste, it is time for a change in Moscow.
> >
> > At 07:02 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
> > >Conservation can never be a bad idea but using the water issue as a
> > >club to force other ideological visions on the community where they
> > >don't apply (big box ordinances for one example) is disingenuous. I
> > >don't believe that the GMA endorsed candidates are suggesting that
> > >we make a desperate attempt to suck the aquifer dry before their
> > >terms expire. To suggest otherwise is simply partisan politics at its worst.
> > >
> > >g
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Tom Hansen" <<mailto:thansen at moscow.com>thansen at moscow.com>
> > >To: "'g. crabtree'"
> > ><<mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com>jampot at roadrunner.com>; "'Joe
> > >Campbell'" <<mailto:joekc at adelphia.net>joekc at adelphia.net>;
> > ><<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com>; "'Mark
> > >Solomon'" <<mailto:msolomon at moscow.com>msolomon at moscow.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:29 PM
> > >Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
> > >
> > > >g -
> > > >
> > > > You suggested that perhaps none of the city council candidates have a firm
> > > > handle on the water situation.
> > > >
> > > > If this is true, wouldn't it be better advised to err on the side of
> > > > caution?
> > > >
> > > > Both Lamar and Ament cited PBAC as authorities on the figures
> > > they presented
> > > > yesterday at the CofC Forum. Krauss cited "something [he] read somewhere"
> > > > and Steed simply wants to remove limitations and controls.
> > > >
> > > > Your thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Hansen
> > > > Moscow, Idaho
> > > >
> > > > "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
> > > > students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
> > > >
> > > > - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From:
> > > <mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > > [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > > > On Behalf Of g. crabtree
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM
> > > > To: Joe Campbell;
> > > <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>vision2020 at moscow.com; Mark Solomon
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
> > > >
> > > > I assume the statement that includes "...regarding
> > > > the upper aquifer which if continued to be pumped at current
> > > levels could be
> > > >
> > > > in crisis as soon as 15-20 years from now." is couched that way to leave
> > > > room for the obvious corollary?
> > > >
> > > > Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 years? Could be we really
> > > don't know
> > > > for sure? Could be that Krauss, Carscallen, and Steed have as
> > > firm a handle
> > > > on the water situation as any of the MCA candidates do.
> > > >
> > > > g
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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