[Vision2020] Water Concern?
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Fri Oct 19 05:49:28 PDT 2007
Exactly, Mr. Ivie –
Chris Storhok (please excuse the spelling if it is wrong) stated a while
back that a very dominant glacial formation up in his neck of the woods has
been slowly melting over the years.
Chris (if you are listening), chime in, please.
This is not an unsubstantiated concept, Mr. Harkins. It is plain fact.
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Tom Ivie
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 11:26 PM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
I don't know about the melting part, but Chris can tell you that North Pole
is in Alaska -no Visa required, but I bet they take American Express!!
Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm wondering, where is Santa Clause going to live since the North Pole is
melting?
I also am wondering if people are going to shut down the giant toy shop up
there because it is emitting environmental pollutants in a protected area.
Also, doesn't Santa now need a Visa to enter the country through Canada?
Immigration might nab him.
Best,
Donovan
Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
You say, "This coming election will say a lot about our community and about
the future we chart for ourselves. It is time for the hand-wringers to move
to the sidelines."
Just for argument sake, what would you say if all of the MCA/non-GMA
candidates win?"
As for Santa Clause...He's The Man!! But I don't want his workshop next to
my bedroom. Maybe in a light industrial area? He will need to keep the
animals in an appropriate area also, as they are a little large for my
neighborhood. Before he comes, though, we need some very affordable
housing...because, well, I don't think he probably pays very well when he
gives the toys away for free. Come to think of it, having him here would
bring new meaning to free market. I once heard rumors that Santa did live in
Moscow. Then I visited this key shop with my son to get a key for his bike
lock. HOLY COW!! And he almost gave that key away!! It was magical how he
went straight to the correct key blank among hundreds, maybe thousands!
Those rosey cheeks, white beard, all that was missing was the red suit and a
HO HO HO.
Disclaimer: Don't take this Santa Clause bit too serious, it was done in fun
-not malice.
Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com> wrote:
Gary, good to see your clear and concise comments making a difference. Here
are some of my observations.
Ideologues are all around us in this region. They have no solution to
resolve the water issue (or much of any other issue) but they follow the
same tactic used since the creation of the MCA; fear, intimidation,
heckling and smearing are their tools. If you support an organization like
GMA, you are publicly chided for supporting candidates endorsed by them. In
other words, you don't know as much as the MCA people and therefore your
voices and your opinions don't matter.
Frankly, all the candidates for city council seem to be honest, sincere and
interested in doing what they perceive to be the best things for the
community. But when the actions of supporters and/or candidates sense a
challenge to their "vision for Moscow", rather than debate the issue, they
turn on the candidate and chide them for their opinions. Wayne Krauss,
Walter Steed and Dan Carscallen are all honorable men. They have spent most
of their adult lives in this community. They have a right to be respected -
for their views, for their willingness to step up to the challenge of city
council and for their willingness to engage in honorable debate with
candidates that they don't agree with.
In a similar vein, Linda Pall, Aaron Ament, Tom Lamar and Evin Holmes are
honorable folks. Most have spent a good portion of their adult lives in
Moscow and they should be respected for their willingness to serve our
community.
To indict any of them for their opinions and views on a topic simply
validates that our citizens should not vote for the candidate the indictors
are supporting but should vote for the candidate being scalloped. Issues
and answers and policies such as the water question are founded first in
science. Let the science do the talking - report studies, provide links to
the scientific evidence, establish the proposition of your hypothesis and
then talk about strategies for solutions. It is "very difficult" to resolve
a problem with rhetoric and finger pointing (Joe and Bruce, you are
encouraged to think about this very carefully).
This coming election will say a lot about our community and about the future
we chart for ourselves. It is time for the hand-wringers to move to the
sidelines. We need decisive, thoughtful and forthright leadership to guide
us through the challenges that lay ahead. Will we have a community that can
support our children and the children of our children? Will we be able to
welcome new residents with a bundle of opportunities that entices them to
stay or will we winnow them out - because they don't fit into our lifestyle?
Will we have the type of community that encourages entrepreneurs to come
here and risk their investment capital here or will we worry ourselves to
death over whether or not this business or that business is "acceptable"?
What I have learned from listening to the forums this past couple of years
is that even if Santa Claus wanted to move his operation here, there would
be at least a handful of people who would object to that move.
For my taste, it is time for a change in Moscow.
At 07:02 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:
Conservation can never be a bad idea but using the water issue as a club to
force other ideological visions on the community where they don't apply (big
box ordinances for one example) is disingenuous. I don't believe that the
GMA endorsed candidates are suggesting that we make a desperate attempt to
suck the aquifer dry before their terms expire. To suggest otherwise is
simply partisan politics at its worst.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
To: "'g. crabtree'" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; "'Joe Campbell'"
<joekc at adelphia.net>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>; "'Mark Solomon'"
<msolomon at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
>g -
>
> You suggested that perhaps none of the city council candidates have a firm
> handle on the water situation.
>
> If this is true, wouldn't it be better advised to err on the side of
> caution?
>
> Both Lamar and Ament cited PBAC as authorities on the figures they
presented
> yesterday at the CofC Forum. Krauss cited "something [he] read somewhere"
> and Steed simply wants to remove limitations and controls.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
>
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [
<mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com>
mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of g. crabtree
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM
> To: Joe Campbell; vision2020 at moscow.com; Mark Solomon
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?
>
> I assume the statement that includes "...regarding
> the upper aquifer which if continued to be pumped at current levels could
be
>
> in crisis as soon as 15-20 years from now." is couched that way to leave
> room for the obvious corollary?
>
> Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 years? Could be we really don't
know
> for sure? Could be that Krauss, Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a
handle
> on the water situation as any of the MCA candidates do.
>
> g
>
>
>
>
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