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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Exactly, Mr. Ivie –<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Chris Storhok (please excuse the spelling
if it is wrong) stated a while back that a very dominant glacial formation up
in his neck of the woods has been slowly melting over the years.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Chris (if you are listening), chime in,
please.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>This is not an unsubstantiated concept,
Mr. Harkins. It is plain fact.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:navy'>Seeya round town, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City></st1:place>.<br>
<br>
Tom Hansen<br>
<st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place><br>
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"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<br>
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- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
vision2020-bounces@moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b><st1:PersonName w:st="on">Tom
Ivie</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, October 18, 2007
11:26 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> vision2020@moscow.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Vision2020] Water
Concern?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I don't know about the melting part, but Chris can tell you that North
Pole is in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Alaska</st1:place></st1:State>
-no Visa required, but I bet they take American Express!!<br>
<br>
<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Donovan Arnold
<donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com></span></i></b> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'm wondering, where is Santa Clause going to live since the North Pole
is melting?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I also am wondering if people are going to shut down the giant toy shop
up there because it is emitting environmental pollutants in a protected area. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Also, doesn't Santa now need a Visa to enter the country through <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Canada</st1:place></st1:country-region>?
Immigration might nab him. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Best,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Donovan<br>
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<st1:PersonName w:st="on"><b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Tom
Ivie</span></i></b></st1:PersonName><b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'> <the_ivies3@yahoo.com></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>You say, "This coming election will say a lot about our community
and about the future we chart for ourselves. It is time for the
hand-wringers to move to the sidelines."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Just for argument sake, what would you say if all of the MCA/non-GMA
candidates win?"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>As for Santa Clause...He's The Man!! But I don't want his
workshop next to my bedroom. Maybe in a light industrial area? He
will need to keep the animals in an appropriate area also, as they are a little
large for my neighborhood. Before he comes, though, we need some very
affordable housing...because, well, I don't think he probably pays very well
when he gives the toys away for free. Come to think of
it, having him here would bring new meaning to free market. I once
heard rumors that Santa did live in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>.
Then I visited this key shop with my son to get a key for his bike lock.
HOLY COW!! And he almost gave that key away!! It was magical how he went
straight to the correct key blank among hundreds, maybe thousands! Those
rosey cheeks, white beard, all that was missing was the red suit and a HO HO
HO.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Disclaimer: Don't take this Santa Clause bit too serious, it was done
in fun -not malice. <br>
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<b><i><span style='font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>Jeff Harkins
<jeffh@moscow.com></span></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on"><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>Gary</span></font></st1:place></st1:City>,
good to see your clear and concise comments making a difference. Here are
some of my observations.<br>
<br>
Ideologues are all around us in this region. They have no solution to
resolve the water issue (or much of any other issue) but they follow the same
tactic used since the creation of the MCA; fear, intimidation, heckling
and smearing are their tools. If you support an organization like GMA,
you are publicly chided for supporting candidates endorsed by them. In
other words, you don't know as much as the MCA people and therefore your voices
and your opinions don't matter.<br>
<br>
Frankly, all the candidates for city council seem to be honest, sincere and
interested in doing what they perceive to be the best things for the
community. But when the actions of supporters and/or candidates sense a
challenge to their "vision for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>",
rather than debate the issue, they turn on the candidate and chide them for
their opinions. Wayne Krauss, Walter Steed and Dan Carscallen are all
honorable men. They have spent most of their adult lives in this
community. They have a right to be respected - for their views, for their
willingness to step up to the challenge of city council and for their
willingness to engage in honorable debate with candidates that they don't agree
with.<br>
<br>
In a similar vein, Linda Pall, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Aaron Ament</st1:PersonName>,
Tom Lamar and Evin Holmes are honorable folks. Most have spent a good portion
of their adult lives in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>
and they should be respected for their willingness to serve our community.<br>
<br>
To indict any of them for their opinions and views on a topic simply validates
that our citizens should not vote for the candidate the indictors are
supporting but should vote for the candidate being scalloped. Issues and
answers and policies such as the water question are founded first in
science. Let the science do the talking - report studies, provide links
to the scientific evidence, establish the proposition of your hypothesis and
then talk about strategies for solutions. It is "very
difficult" to resolve a problem with rhetoric and finger pointing (Joe and
Bruce, you are encouraged to think about this very carefully). <br>
<br>
This coming election will say a lot about our community and about the future we
chart for ourselves. It is time for the hand-wringers to move to the
sidelines. We need decisive, thoughtful and forthright leadership to
guide us through the challenges that lay ahead. Will we have a community
that can support our children and the children of our children? Will we
be able to welcome new residents with a bundle of opportunities that entices
them to stay or will we winnow them out - because they don't fit into our
lifestyle? Will we have the type of community that encourages
entrepreneurs to come here and risk their investment capital here or will we worry
ourselves to death over whether or not this business or that business is
"acceptable"? What I have learned from listening to the forums
this past couple of years is that even if Santa Claus wanted to move his
operation here, there would be at least a handful of people who would object to
that move. <br>
<br>
For my taste, it <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>is </span></b>time for a
change in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>.
<br>
<br>
At 07:02 PM 10/18/2007, you wrote:<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Conservation can never be a bad idea but using the water issue as a
club to force other ideological visions on the community where they don't apply
(big box ordinances for one example) is disingenuous. I don't believe that the
GMA endorsed candidates are suggesting that we make a desperate attempt to suck
the aquifer dry before their terms expire. To suggest otherwise is simply
partisan politics at its worst.<br>
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<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>g<br>
----- Original Message ----- </span></font><br>
<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From: "Tom Hansen" <<a
href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a>><br>
To: "'g. crabtree'" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>>;
"'Joe Campbell'" <<a href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">joekc@adelphia.net</a>>;
<<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>>;
"'Mark Solomon'" <<a href="mailto:msolomon@moscow.com">msolomon@moscow.com</a>><br>
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 4:29 PM<br>
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br>
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<font size=2><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>>g -<br>
> <br>
> You suggested that perhaps none of the city council candidates have a firm<br>
> handle on the water situation.<br>
> <br>
> If this is true, wouldn't it be better advised to err on the side of<br>
> caution? <br>
> <br>
> Both Lamar and Ament cited PBAC as authorities on the figures they
presented<br>
> yesterday at the CofC Forum. Krauss cited "something [he] read
somewhere"<br>
> and Steed simply wants to remove limitations and controls.<br>
> <br>
> Your thoughts?<br>
> <br>
> Seeya round town, <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Moscow</st1:place></st1:City>.<br>
> <br>
> Tom Hansen<br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Moscow</st1:City>, <st1:State
w:st="on">Idaho</st1:State></st1:place><br>
> <br>
> "We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The
college<br>
> students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."<br>
> <br>
> - Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)<br>
> <br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> <br>
> From: <a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[<a href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com" eudora=autourl>
mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>]<br>
> On Behalf Of g. crabtree<br>
> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:33 PM<br>
> To: Joe Campbell; <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a>;
Mark Solomon<br>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Water Concern?<br>
> <br>
> I assume the statement that includes "...regarding<br>
> the upper aquifer which if continued to be pumped at current levels could
be<br>
> <br>
> in crisis as soon as 15-20 years from now." is couched that way to
leave <br>
> room for the obvious corollary?<br>
> <br>
> Could be 50-75 years, could be 115-120 years? Could be we really don't
know <br>
> for sure? Could be that Krauss, Carscallen, and Steed have as firm a
handle <br>
> on the water situation as any of the MCA candidates do.<br>
> <br>
> g<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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