[Vision2020] [CORRECTED LINKS] The Human Toll

Tue Oct 16 16:24:40 PDT 2007

Tom,

Is there some logical reason why there are so many errors in most of your posts that you need to resend them as [CORRECTED]?  If you can't be careful enough to proof read your emails or check the links before sending them, can you at least email them to yourself, then check them for accuracy, and finally forward them to v2020 so that there aren't so many virtually duplicate emails from you - as if we didn't already have enough to begin with.

-Scott

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From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
To: Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:07:38 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] [CORRECTED LINKS] The Human Toll

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"The notion that we ought to now go to
 Baghdad and somehow take control of the
country strikes me as an extremely serious one in terms of what we'd have to do
once we got there. You'd probably have to put some new government in place.
It's not clear what kind of government that would be, how long you'd have to
stay. For the U.S. to get involved militarily in determining the outcome of the
struggle over who's going to govern in Iraq strikes me as a classic definition
of a quagmire." - Dick Cheney, 1991 

http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Cheney_Quagmire.mp3 

And Dick Cheney again in 1994

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9a8_1186873756

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"I think Rumsfeld, Cheney, and the president made a big
mistake in justifying going into the war in
 Iraq . They put the emphasis on
weapons of mass destruction." - Gerald R. Ford (July 28, 2004)

http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Ford_Iraq_Big_Mistake.mp3

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From the October 22, 2007 edition of the Army Times
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U.S. service
members who died while supporting combat operations in
 Iraq , confirmed
by the Defense Department from October 5 through October 11:

Army Spc. Frank L. Cady III, 20, of Sacramento, California;
assigned to the 4th Special Troops Battalion, 4th Infantry Brigade Combat Team,
1st Infantry Division, Fort Riley, Kansas.

Army Staff Sgt. Lillian Clamens, 35, of Lawton, Oklahoma;
assigned to the 1st Postal Platoon, 834th Adjutant General Company, Miami,
Florida.

Army Pfc. Kenneth J. Iwasinski, 22, of West Springfield,
Massachusetts; assigned to 2nd Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade
Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division,  Fort Carson, Colorado.

Army Spc. Jason B. Koutroubas, 21, of Dunnellon, Florida; assigned
to Special Troops Battalion, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division,
Fort Bliss, Texas.

Army Sgt. Jason M. Lantieri, 25, of Killingworth,
Connecticut; assigned to the 725th Brigade Support Battalion, 4th Brigade
Combat Team (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska.

Army 1st Lt. Thomas M. Martin, 27, of  Ward, Arkansas;
assigned to 1st Squadron, 40th Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team
(Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska. 

Army Cpl. Gilberto A. Meza, 21, of Oxnard ,
 California ; assigned to the 3rd Squadron, 2nd
Stryker Cavalry Regiment, Vilseck ,
 Germany .

Army Sgt.1st Class Justin S. Monschke, 28, of
 Krum , Texas ; assigned to
2nd Battalion, 3rd Special Forces Group (Airborne),
 Fort Bragg , North Carolina .

Army Staff Sgt. Donald L. Munn II, 25, of Saint Clairs
Shores, Michigan; assigned to Special Troops Battalion, 1st Cavalry Division,
 Fort Hood , Texas .

Army Spc. Samuel F. Pearson, 28, of Westerville ,
 Ohio ; assigned to the 376th Finance Company, 88th
Regional Readiness Command, Wausau ,
 Wisconsin .

Army Pvt. Nathan Z. Thacker, 18, of Greenbrier, Arkansas;
assigned to the 2nd Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team,
10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, New York.

October 5 – October 11

Killed: 11; wounded in action: 78

March 19, 2003 – October 11, 2007 

Killed: 3,811; wounded in action: 28,171

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The following U.S. 
service members died while supporting combat operations in
 Afghanistan ,
confirmed by the Defense Department from October 5 through October 11:

October 5 – October 11

Killed: 0; Wounded in action: 25

Oct. 10, 2001 – October 11, 2007

Killed: 440; Wounded in action: 1,652

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National Guard (In Federal Status) and Reserve Mobilized 

(as of October 10, 2007) 

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2007/d20071010ngr.pdf

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And the beat goes on . . . 

"Bring 'em Home"

http://www.tomandrodna.com/Songs/Bring_em_home.mp3

"If you love this land of the free 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

Bring them back from overseas 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

It will make the politicians sad, I know 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

They wanna tangle with their foe 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

They wanna test their grand theories 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

With the blood of you and me 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

Now we'll give no more brave young lives 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

For the gleam in someone's eyes 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

The men will cheer and the boys will shout 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

Yeah and we will all turn out 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

The church bells will ring with joy 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

To welcome our darlin' girls and boys 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

We will lift our voice and sound 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

Yeah, when Johnny comes marching home 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home." 

Pro patria, 

Tom Hansen 

Moscow,
 Idaho

"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of
emotion but the tranquil and steady dedication of a lifetime." -- Adlai E.
Stevenson, Jr.

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