[Vision2020] The Human Toll

Tue Oct 16 15:39:28 PDT 2007

"The notion that we ought to now go to Baghdad and somehow take control of
the country strikes me as an extremely serious one in terms of what we'd
have to do once we got there. You'd probably have to put some new government
in place. It's not clear what kind of government that would be, how long
you'd have to stay. For the U.S. to get involved militarily in determining
the outcome of the struggle over who's going to govern in Iraq strikes me as
a classic definition of a quagmire." - Dick Cheney, 1991 

http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Cheney_Quagmire.mp3
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And Dick Cheney again in 1994

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9a8_1186873756

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"I think Rumsfeld, Cheney, and the president made a big mistake in
justifying going into the war in Iraq. They put the emphasis on weapons of
mass destruction." - Gerald R. Ford (July 28, 2004)

http://www.tomandrodna.com/Stuff/Ford_Iraq_Big_Mistake.mp3
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>From the October 22, 2007 edition of the Army Times -

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U.S. service members who died while supporting combat operations in Iraq,
confirmed by the Defense Department from October 5 through October 11:

Army Spc. Frank L. Cady III, 20, of Sacramento, California; assigned to the
4th Special Troops Battalion, 4th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry
Division, Fort Riley, Kansas.

Army Staff Sgt. Lillian Clamens, 35, of Lawton, Oklahoma; assigned to the
1st Postal Platoon, 834th Adjutant General Company, Miami, Florida.

Army Pfc. Kenneth J. Iwasinski, 22, of West Springfield, Massachusetts;
assigned to 2nd Battalion, 12th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team,
2nd Infantry Division,  Fort Carson, Colorado.

Army Spc. Jason B. Koutroubas, 21, of Dunnellon, Florida; assigned to
Special Troops Battalion, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division,
Fort Bliss, Texas.

Army Sgt. Jason M. Lantieri, 25, of Killingworth, Connecticut; assigned to
the 725th Brigade Support Battalion, 4th Brigade Combat Team (Airborne),
25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska.

Army 1st Lt. Thomas M. Martin, 27, of  Ward, Arkansas; assigned to 1st
Squadron, 40th Cavalry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team (Airborne), 25th
Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska. 

Army Cpl. Gilberto A. Meza, 21, of Oxnard, California; assigned to the 3rd
Squadron, 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment, Vilseck, Germany.

Army Sgt.1st Class Justin S. Monschke, 28, of Krum, Texas; assigned to 2nd
Battalion, 3rd Special Forces Group (Airborne), Fort Bragg, North Carolina.

Army Staff Sgt. Donald L. Munn II, 25, of Saint Clairs Shores, Michigan;
assigned to Special Troops Battalion, 1st Cavalry Division, Fort Hood,
Texas.

Army Spc. Samuel F. Pearson, 28, of Westerville, Ohio; assigned to the 376th
Finance Company, 88th Regional Readiness Command, Wausau, Wisconsin.

Army Pvt. Nathan Z. Thacker, 18, of Greenbrier, Arkansas; assigned to the
2nd Battalion, 22nd Infantry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 10th
Mountain Division, Fort Drum, New York.

October 5 - October 11

Killed: 11; wounded in action: 78

March 19, 2003 - October 11, 2007 

Killed: 3,811; wounded in action: 28,171

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The following U.S. service members died while supporting combat operations
in Afghanistan, confirmed by the Defense Department from October 5 through
October 11:

October 5 - October 11

Killed: 0; Wounded in action: 25

Oct. 10, 2001 - October 11, 2007

Killed: 440; Wounded in action: 1,652

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National Guard (In Federal Status) and Reserve Mobilized 

(as of October 10, 2007) 

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2007/d20071010ngr.pdf

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And the beat goes on . . . 

"Bring 'em Home"

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"If you love this land of the free 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

Bring them back from overseas 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

It will make the politicians sad, I know 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

They wanna tangle with their foe 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

They wanna test their grand theories 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

With the blood of you and me 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

Now we'll give no more brave young lives 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

For the gleam in someone's eyes 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

The men will cheer and the boys will shout 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

Yeah and we will all turn out 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

The church bells will ring with joy 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

To welcome our darlin' girls and boys 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

We will lift our voice and sound 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home 

Yeah, when Johnny comes marching home 

Bring 'em home, bring 'em home." 

Pro patria, 

Tom Hansen 

Moscow, Idaho

"Patriotism is not a short and frenzied outburst of emotion but the tranquil
and steady dedication of a lifetime." -- Adlai E. Stevenson, Jr.

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