[Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
Sue Hovey
suehovey at moscow.com
Sun Oct 14 18:37:30 PDT 2007
Goodness, Donovan, every so often you respond in a way that pretty well convinces me someone else is writing the words for you. I'll leave it for you to ruminate on why I believe that's true.
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Sue Hovey ; Joe Campbell
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
Sue,
You can claim to be a Hispanic 6'4 280 linebacker for the Green Bay Packers, but that doesn't make it so.
Your statements directly contradict Christ. Christ said He was the only way to God.
"I am the way the truth and the life; no man cometh unto the Father BUT BY ME." -- Jesus Christ (John 14:6)
And Christ had to sacrifice himself for our sins in order to be saved. If you state that there is ANOTHER way, you are saying you do not believe that Christ's sacrifice was necessary, and thus done for vanity. A true offense to Christ. You are saying God sacrificed His one and only Son, for nothing.
You have no legitimate claim to call yourself a follower of Christ if you disagree with both His words and His actions.
"Let me tell you something--the day one comes to recognize and accept others for what they say they believe can be immensely freeing." And also damning.
Best,
Donovan
Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com> wrote:
Donovan, This may come as a blow to you, but not all Christians believe the only way to salvation is acceptance of Jesus Christ as Savior. Like you, I grew up in a Christian denomination which does believe that. It was quite a shock to me to find that other Christians weren't so dogmatic. Of course that then leaves you with the option of saying, "well no matter what they call themselves, they really aren't Christian." Let me tell you something--the day one comes to recognize and accept others for what they say they believe can be immensely freeing. Then the responsibility is theirs to live as they believe, and yes, I do believe one has every right to judge their beliefs by their actions. And of course all of us sometimes come up short there.
Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: Donovan Arnold
To: Joe Campbell
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
Joe,
She was reiterating the Dogma of Christianity. There is no salvation without the acceptance of Christ as your savior. If you don't understand that fundamental fact, or don't believe it, you obviously are not a Christian. It is core dogma of the religion.
A mean vindictive person would wish for Jews to die, or parish. She said she wished the opposite, that they would accept Christ so that they can be saved. That sounds like more of a loving statement than a hateful one to me.
She was not singling out Jews, the commentator was because he was Jewish, she believes that all religions outside of Christianity are in error, as do all Christians. I think you will also find that followers of the Jewish and Muslim faiths likewise believe that followers of any religion other than their own faith is also in error. Christians want all people be saved, even if it is considered politically incorrect to do so.
Best,
Donovan
Joe Campbell <joekc at adelphia.net> wrote:
Donovan wrote: "Ann Coulter did not say Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, all
other non-Christians were worthless, or inferior for their beliefs.
She said that Christianity was Judaism "perfected." How does that not entail
that Judaism is inferior to Christianity?
Sorry but I'm catching up on e-mail!
--
Joe Campbell
---- Donovan Arnold wrote:
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Ann Coulter should say, "Religious conflict and war is good, and that some people should not be saved."?
I think this is rather absurd that people are making a big deal of this. Ann Coulter did not say Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, all other non-Christians were worthless, or inferior for their beliefs. She didn't say other shouldn't be allowed to practice their religion. What she said was that the world would be better off if the entire world was Christian. Which from an empirical point of view, the world would be better off if it was all one religion. Secondly, of course Christians want all others to be Christians, that is a fundamental belief of Christians that only Christians can be saved. It is also the belief of many religions that their religion is the better, and/or only true religion. I am Catholic, the largest and most diverse church in the world, and our creed specifically states that the Holy Roman Catholic Church is the "One and Only True Church".
If she said all Jews and non-Christians should die, and only Christians are deserving of rights, that would be outrageous. But to expect Ann Coulter's statements to say the opposite is true; the world is better off if it has religious conflict and we should want others to suffer eternal damnation, is suppose to be a more of an acceptable statement?
I think she was kind of set up with that question. It didn't matter which way she answered.
Best,
Donovan
Ted Moffett wrote:
All-
Ann Coulter's books sell big time... She's laughing all the way to the bank. Carl Westberg is right on the money (no pun intended) about Coulter being "pure show business." The more outrageous her comments, the more publicity. It's so obvious she's deliberately aiming to upset people with extreme political incorrectness.
What is disturbing is that many people really believe what she advocates. Millions do believe that the US would be better off if we were all Christians. Correct? What is more shocking than Coulter's comments, is that she is supported by a sizable fan base. She definitely speaks to a large percentage of the US public that admires her frank expression of views that they sympathize with.
She is merely a symptom of a much broader problem in US society.
Ted Moffett
On 10/12/07, keely emerinemix wrote: This is the same Ann Coulter who dated Joseph Guccione, publisher of that paragon of Christian virtue, Penthouse magazine. Miz Coulter is a nutcase, and I think the orderlies need to find stronger straps.
keely
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From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com
To: joekc at adelphia.net; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:33:59 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
Ann Coulter is totally nuts! "Perfected"? "Fast Track"? What is that!!!!??? Who buys this stuff?
J :]
> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:46:38 -0700
> From: joekc at adelphia.net
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
>
> Conservative commentator and best-selling author Ann Coulter may find herself in the midst of a controversy for comments Monday suggesting America would be better if everyone was Christian.
>
> Asked by CNBC host Donny Deutsch what the U.S. looks like in her dreams, Coulter said it would look like the Republican National Convention in 2004
>
> "People were happy," she said, according to a transcript provided to CNN by CNBC. "They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America."
>
> When Deutsch responded, "It would be better if we were all Christian?" Coulter said "Yeah."
>
> Deutsch, himself Jewish, continued to press Coulter on her remarks, asking, "We should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians then?"
>
> "Yeah," Coulter responded, adding "Well, it's a lot easier. It's kind of a fast track."
>
> "You can't possibly believe that," Deutsch responded. "You can't possibly. You're too educated."
>
> "Do you know what Christianity is?" Coulter replied. "See, we believe your religion, but you have to obey. We have the fast track program."
>
> Later in the interview Deutsch asked Coulter if she doesn't want any Jews in the world, Coulter responded, "No, we think â?" we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say."
>
> "Wow, you didn't really say that, did you," Deutsch said.
>
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