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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Goodness, Donovan, every so often you respond in a
way that pretty well convinces me someone else is writing the
words for you. I'll leave it for you to ruminate on why I believe
that's true. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue</FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=suehovey@moscow.com
href="mailto:suehovey@moscow.com">Sue Hovey</A> ; <A title=joekc@adelphia.net
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream
- from CNN</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Sue,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You can claim to be a Hispanic 6'4 280 linebacker for the Green Bay
Packers, but that doesn't make it so. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Your statements directly contradict Christ. Christ said He was the only
way to God.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000000><I><FONT
size=2><STRONG>"I am the way the truth and the life; <U>no
man cometh unto the Father BUT BY ME.</U>" -- Jesus Christ (John
14:6)</STRONG></FONT></I></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And Christ had to sacrifice himself for our sins in order to be
saved. If you state that there is ANOTHER way, you are saying you do not
believe that Christ's sacrifice was necessary, and thus done for vanity.
A true offense to Christ. You are saying God sacrificed His one and only
Son, for nothing. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You have no legitimate claim to call yourself a follower of
Christ if you disagree with both His words and His actions. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"Let me tell you something--the day one comes to recognize and accept
others for what they say they believe can be immensely freeing." And also
damning.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Sue Hovey <suehovey@moscow.com></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Donovan, This may come as a blow to
you, but not all Christians believe the only way to salvation is acceptance
of Jesus Christ as Savior. Like you, I grew up in a Christian
denomination which does believe that. It was quite a shock to me to
find that other Christians weren't so dogmatic. Of course that then
leaves you with the option of saying, "well no matter what they call
themselves, they really aren't Christian." Let me tell you
something--the day one comes to recognize and accept others for what they
say they believe can be immensely freeing. Then the
responsibility is theirs to live as they believe, and yes, I do believe one
has every right to judge their beliefs by their actions. And of course
all of us sometimes come up short there. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sue </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com
href="mailto:donovanjarnold2005@yahoo.com">Donovan Arnold</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=joekc@adelphia.net
href="mailto:joekc@adelphia.net">Joe Campbell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vision2020@moscow.com
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 14, 2007 10:50
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's
Dream - from CNN</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Joe,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>She was reiterating the Dogma of Christianity. There is no
salvation without the acceptance of Christ as your savior. If you
don't understand that fundamental fact, or don't believe it, you obviously
are not a Christian. It is core dogma of the religion. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A mean vindictive person would wish for Jews to die, or parish.
She said she wished the opposite, that they would accept Christ so that
they can be saved. That sounds like more of a loving statement than
a hateful one to me. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>She was not singling out Jews, the commentator was because he was
Jewish, she believes that all religions outside of Christianity are in
error, as do all Christians. I think you will also find that
followers of the Jewish and Muslim faiths likewise believe that
followers of any religion other than their own faith is also in error.
Christians want all people be saved, even if it is considered politically
incorrect to do so. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Best,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Donovan<BR><BR><B><I>Joe Campbell <joekc@adelphia.net></I></B>
wrote:</DIV>
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wrote: "Ann Coulter did not say Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, all
<BR>other non-Christians were worthless, or inferior for their
beliefs.<BR><BR>She said that Christianity was Judaism "perfected." How
does that not entail <BR>that Judaism is inferior to
Christianity?<BR><BR>Sorry but I'm catching up on
e-mail!<BR><BR>--<BR>Joe Campbell<BR><BR>---- Donovan Arnold
<DONOVANJARNOLD2005@YAHOO.COM>wrote: <BR><BR>=============<BR>Ann
Coulter should say, "Religious conflict and war is good, and that some
people should not be saved."?<BR><BR>I think this is rather absurd that
people are making a big deal of this. Ann Coulter did not say Jews,
Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, all other non-Christians were worthless, or
inferior for their beliefs. She didn't say other shouldn't be allowed to
practice their religion. What she said was that the world would be
better off if the entire world was Christian. Which from an empirical
point of view, the world would be better off if it was all one religion.
Secondly, of course Christians want all others to be Christians, that is
a fundamental belief of Christians that only Christians can be saved. It
is also the belief of many religions that their religion is the better,
and/or only true religion. I am Catholic, the largest and most diverse
church in the world, and our creed specifically states that the Holy
Roman Catholic Church is the "One and Only True Church". <BR><BR>If she
said all Jews and non-Christians should die, and only Christians are
deserving of rights, that would be outrageous. But to expect Ann
Coulter's statements to say the opposite is true; the world is better
off if it has religious conflict and we should want others to suffer
eternal damnation, is suppose to be a more of an acceptable
statement?<BR><BR>I think she was kind of set up with that question. It
didn't matter which way she answered.
<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>Donovan<BR><BR>Ted Moffett
<STARBLISS@GMAIL.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>All-<BR><BR>Ann Coulter's books sell
big time... She's laughing all the way to the bank. Carl Westberg is
right on the money (no pun intended) about Coulter being "pure show
business." The more outrageous her comments, the more publicity. It's so
obvious she's deliberately aiming to upset people with extreme political
incorrectness. <BR><BR>What is disturbing is that many people really
believe what she advocates. Millions do believe that the US would be
better off if we were all Christians. Correct? What is more shocking
than Coulter's comments, is that she is supported by a sizable fan base.
She definitely speaks to a large percentage of the US public that
admires her frank expression of views that they sympathize with.
<BR><BR>She is merely a symptom of a much broader problem in US
society.<BR><BR>Ted Moffett <BR><BR>On 10/12/07, keely emerinemix
<KJAJMIX1@MSN.COM>wrote: This is the same Ann Coulter who dated Joseph
Guccione, publisher of that paragon of Christian virtue, Penthouse
magazine. Miz Coulter is a nutcase, and I think the orderlies need to
find stronger straps.<BR><BR>keely
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privatejf32@hotmail.com<BR>To: joekc@adelphia.net;
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:33:59
-0700<BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
<BR><BR>Ann Coulter is totally nuts! "Perfected"? "Fast Track"? What is
that!!!!??? Who buys this stuff?<BR><BR>J :]<BR><BR><BR>> Date: Fri,
12 Oct 2007 06:46:38 -0700 <BR>> From: joekc@adelphia.net<BR>> To:
vision2020@moscow.com<BR>> Subject: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream -
from CNN<BR>> <BR>> Conservative commentator and best-selling
author Ann Coulter may find herself in the midst of a controversy for
comments Monday suggesting America would be better if everyone was
Christian. <BR>> <BR>> Asked by CNBC host Donny Deutsch what the
U.S. looks like in her dreams, Coulter said it would look like the
Republican National Convention in 2004<BR>> <BR>> "People were
happy," she said, according to a transcript provided to CNN by CNBC.
"They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America." <BR>>
<BR>> When Deutsch responded, "It would be better if we were all
Christian?" Coulter said "Yeah."<BR>> <BR>> Deutsch, himself
Jewish, continued to press Coulter on her remarks, asking, "We should
just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians then?" <BR>>
<BR>> "Yeah," Coulter responded, adding "Well, it's a lot easier.
It's kind of a fast track."<BR>> <BR>> "You can't possibly believe
that," Deutsch responded. "You can't possibly. You're too educated."
<BR>> <BR>> "Do you know what Christianity is?" Coulter replied.
"See, we believe your religion, but you have to obey. We have the fast
track program."<BR>> <BR>> Later in the interview Deutsch asked
Coulter if she doesn't want any Jews in the world, Coulter responded,
"No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say."
<BR>> <BR>> "Wow, you didn't really say that, did you," Deutsch
said.<BR>> <BR>>
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