[Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN

Sun Oct 14 15:24:55 PDT 2007

And my eye does pity, actually, anyone who calls himself a Christian and would take joy in adhering to the standards of the Old Testament that Jesus utterly overthrew.  Jesus' treatment of the woman caught in adultery is perhaps the clearest example of divine mercy, the overturning of the religious/sociological/legal order, and the revolutionary inter- and intrapersonal engagement the Gospel requires.

keely

From: thansen at moscow.com
To: donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com; msolomon at moscow.com; sunilramalingam at hotmail.com; kjajmix1 at msn.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 15:09:06 -0700

"The civil magistrate is the minister
of God to execute wrath on the wrongdoer (Rom. 13:4).  God has not left his
civil minister without guidance on how to exercise his office.  The Scriptures
set forth clear standards of judgment for many offenses.  Capital crimes, for
example, include premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery,
bestiality, adultery, homosexuality, and cursing one's parents (Ex. 21:14;
21:16; 22:18; 22:19; Lev. 20:10; 20:13; Ex. 21:17)."

>From "Your Eye Shall Not Pity"
by Gregory Dickison where he supports such punishments at:

http://tinyurl.com/yo77oz

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen

Moscow, Idaho

"Wording plays a big part in understand[ing] the nature and meaning a
verse written two thousand years ago in a different language, and some Bibles
just have it plain wrong."

- Donovan Arnold (August 23, 2005)

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On
Behalf Of Donovan Arnold

Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007
2:54 PM

To: Mark Solomon; Sunil
Ramalingam; keely emerinemix

Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com

Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
Coulter's Dream - from CNN

Ah yes, I see your point, Mark. Why just yesterday I saw the
local gays beheaded and my neighbors wife burned alive for her adulterous
ways at Friendship Square.
Our governments truly are comparative in offense and oppression. 

Best,

Donovan

Mark Solomon
<msolomon at moscow.com> wrote:

Rather than do the point-by-point which has been discussed extensively
on this list, try substituting the "current leadership of this country,
political and corporate" for "leaders of Middle Eastern
nations".

m.

At 1:44 PM -0700 10/14/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:

I wish you would.

Mark Solomon
<msolomon at moscow.com> wrote:

"Most leaders of Middle Eastern nations hoard their nations
wealth, living in lavish palaces while their constituents live in dire poverty
lacking even the basics of proper medical care. They also deny democracy and a
voice to the people, and basic freedom of speech."

Donovan, do I really have to point out the obvious?

Mark

At 11:34 AM -0700 10/14/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:

I think you would find most Americans are in favor removing the brutal
repressive dictatorships that rule over many Muslims nations. Many of them are
very wicked people with no morals or concern for the individual well-being of
their constituents. Woman are given no rights, non-believers of their faith are
killed, as well as homosexuals, or any woman that commits adultery or disobeys
her husband, even if she is the victim of rape.

Most leaders of Middle Eastern nations hoard their nations wealth,
living in lavish palaces while their constituents live in dire poverty lacking
even the basics of proper medical care. They also deny democracy and a voice to
the people, and basic freedom of speech.

I personally, don't see how others can agree with the justification of
supporting these governments as Sunil does.

As to converting people to Christianity, I think that is a separate
goal that needs to be done by private citizens exercising their first amendment
rights. I don't think you would find most Christians believe you can physically
force people into accepting Christ as your savior. It think it is something
that most be done one on one with Christ.

I believe that all peoples have the right to a government that is
working on behalf of all their constituents and allows people the freedom to
explore and find another faith. In many of these brutal nations which Sunil
defends the people do not enjoy these rights.

Best,

Donovan

Sunil Ramalingam
<sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:

The criticisms of Coulter are on target, particularly after you look at

other things she has said or written. Here's her gem about Muslims:

'We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to

Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only

Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed

civilians. That's war. And this is war.'

As Carl has said, saying outrageous things is her shtick. But to look at

the quote that got this discussion going and finding harmless explanations

is like digging through her excrement and looking for diamonds. Either way

you're covered with her crap.

Sunil

> > > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:46:38 -0700

> > > From: joekc at adelphia.net

> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com

> > > Subject: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN

> > >

> > > Conservative commentator and best-selling author Ann

> > Coulter may find herself in the midst of a controversy for

> > comments Monday suggesting America would be better if

> > everyone was Christian.

> > >

> > > Asked by CNBC host Donny Deutsch what the U.S. looks like

> > in her dreams, Coulter said it would look like the

> > Republican National Convention in 2004

> > >

> > > "People were happy," she said, according to a
transcript

> > provided to CNN by CNBC. "They're Christian. They're

> > tolerant. They defend America."

> > >

> > > When Deutsch responded, "It would be better if we were

> > all Christian?" Coulter said "Yeah."

> > >

> > > Deutsch, himself Jewish, continued to press Coulter on

> > her remarks, asking, "We should just throw Judaism away

> > and we should all be Christians then?"

> > >

> > > "Yeah," Coulter responded, adding "Well, it's a
lot

> > easier. It's kind of a fast track."

> > >

> > > "You can't possibly believe that," Deutsch responded.

> > "You can't possibly. You're too educated."

> > >

> > > "Do you know what Christianity is?" Coulter replied.

> > "See, we believe your religion, but you have to obey. We

> > have the fast track program."

> > >

> > > Later in the interview Deutsch asked Coulter if she

> > doesn't want any Jews in the world, Coulter responded,

> > "No, we think — we just want Jews to be perfected, as they

> > say."

> > >

> > > "Wow, you didn't really say that, did you," Deutsch
said.

> > >

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