[Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN

Sun Oct 14 15:09:06 PDT 2007

"The civil magistrate is the minister of God to execute wrath on the
wrongdoer (Rom. 13:4).  God has not left his civil minister without guidance
on how to exercise his office.  The Scriptures set forth clear standards of
judgment for many offenses.  Capital crimes, for example, include
premeditated killing (murder), kidnapping, sorcery, bestiality, adultery,
homosexuality, and cursing one's parents (Ex. 21:14; 21:16; 22:18; 22:19;
Lev. 20:10; 20:13; Ex. 21:17)."

>From "Your Eye Shall Not Pity" by Gregory Dickison where he supports such
punishments at:

http://tinyurl.com/yo77oz

Seeya round town, Moscow.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho

"Wording plays a big part in understand[ing] the nature and meaning a verse
written two thousand years ago in a different language, and some Bibles just
have it plain wrong."

- Donovan Arnold (August 23, 2005)

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Donovan Arnold
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:54 PM
To: Mark Solomon; Sunil Ramalingam; keely emerinemix
Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN

Ah yes, I see your point, Mark. Why just yesterday I saw the local gays
beheaded and my neighbors wife burned alive for her adulterous ways at
Friendship Square. Our governments truly are comparative in offense and
oppression. 

Best,

Donovan

Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com> wrote:

Rather than do the point-by-point which has been discussed extensively on
this list, try substituting the "current leadership of this country,
political and corporate" for "leaders of Middle Eastern nations".

m.

At 1:44 PM -0700 10/14/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:

I wish you would.

Mark Solomon <msolomon at moscow.com> wrote:

"Most leaders of Middle Eastern nations hoard their nations wealth, living
in lavish palaces while their constituents live in dire poverty lacking even
the basics of proper medical care. They also deny democracy and a voice to
the people, and basic freedom of speech."

Donovan, do I really have to point out the obvious?

Mark

At 11:34 AM -0700 10/14/07, Donovan Arnold wrote:

I think you would find most Americans are in favor removing the brutal
repressive dictatorships that rule over many Muslims nations. Many of them
are very wicked people with no morals or concern for the individual
well-being of their constituents. Woman are given no rights, non-believers
of their faith are killed, as well as homosexuals, or any woman that commits
adultery or disobeys her husband, even if she is the victim of rape.

Most leaders of Middle Eastern nations hoard their nations wealth, living in
lavish palaces while their constituents live in dire poverty lacking even
the basics of proper medical care. They also deny democracy and a voice to
the people, and basic freedom of speech.

I personally, don't see how others can agree with the justification of
supporting these governments as Sunil does.

As to converting people to Christianity, I think that is a separate goal
that needs to be done by private citizens exercising their first amendment
rights. I don't think you would find most Christians believe you can
physically force people into accepting Christ as your savior. It think it is
something that most be done one on one with Christ.

I believe that all peoples have the right to a government that is working on
behalf of all their constituents and allows people the freedom to explore
and find another faith. In many of these brutal nations which Sunil defends
the people do not enjoy these rights.

Best,

Donovan

Sunil Ramalingam <sunilramalingam at hotmail.com> wrote:

The criticisms of Coulter are on target, particularly after you look at
other things she has said or written. Here's her gem about Muslims:

'We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to
Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only
Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed
civilians. That's war. And this is war.'

As Carl has said, saying outrageous things is her shtick. But to look at
the quote that got this discussion going and finding harmless explanations
is like digging through her excrement and looking for diamonds. Either way
you're covered with her crap.

Sunil

> > > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:46:38 -0700
> > > From: joekc at adelphia.net
> > > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: [Vision2020] Coulter's Dream - from CNN
> > >
> > > Conservative commentator and best-selling author Ann
> > Coulter may find herself in the midst of a controversy for
> > comments Monday suggesting America would be better if
> > everyone was Christian.
> > >
> > > Asked by CNBC host Donny Deutsch what the U.S. looks like
> > in her dreams, Coulter said it would look like the
> > Republican National Convention in 2004
> > >
> > > "People were happy," she said, according to a transcript
> > provided to CNN by CNBC. "They're Christian. They're
> > tolerant. They defend America."
> > >
> > > When Deutsch responded, "It would be better if we were
> > all Christian?" Coulter said "Yeah."
> > >
> > > Deutsch, himself Jewish, continued to press Coulter on
> > her remarks, asking, "We should just throw Judaism away

> > and we should all be Christians then?"
> > >
> > > "Yeah," Coulter responded, adding "Well, it's a lot
> > easier. It's kind of a fast track."
> > >
> > > "You can't possibly believe that," Deutsch responded.
> > "You can't possibly. You're too educated."
> > >
> > > "Do you know what Christianity is?" Coulter replied.
> > "See, we believe your religion, but you have to obey. We

> > have the fast track program."
> > >
> > > Later in the interview Deutsch asked Coulter if she
> > doesn't want any Jews in the world, Coulter responded,
> > "No, we think - we just want Jews to be perfected, as they
> > say."
> > >
> > > "Wow, you didn't really say that, did you," Deutsch said.
> > >
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