[Vision2020] A Caution

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Wed Oct 10 12:00:09 PDT 2007


Okay, so now that you've got that off your chest, care to answer my question as stated?

The "Princess", Schwaller" and others of that church are doing "the constant 
change ups to spew the same old, tired message" that you place erroneously on the shoulders of others.  Another "kirker" or "kirker sympathizer" tactic, I know - distract while you run.  But do give it a try, won't you?

Answer the question.

J  :]


From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: privatejf32 at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:17:24 -0700
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Caution










My dearest Ms. "Ford"
 
Its not so much the "factious names" as the constant 
change ups to spew the same old, tired message as though there was a constant 
new crop of malcontents, as well as the blatant opportunism in the timing to 
take advantage of a fledgling congregations start up.
 
Perhaps you could enlighten me on excusing the poster who 
hasn't the courage to use their own name what with you being an expert on the 
subject and all?
 
g

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  J 
  Ford 
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:50 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Caution
  
And you'd excuse the "sportzboysfromthehood", Princess T, G 
  Schwalling, etc. for posting using factious names - HOW?!

J 
  :]



  
    
    From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: christs.avengers.bowness.alta at gmail.com; 
    vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: 
    Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:58:47 -0700
CC: askreallife at reallifeministries.com
Subject: 
    Re: [Vision2020] A Caution


    Christ requires earthly avengers? And from 
    Canada no less. Kind of makes me wonder and NOT in the way that "Giselle" 
    and the "avengers" would probably prefer. I'd love to hear from a real 
    representative of "the fastest growing church in America" and have them 
    explain the effectiveness of blowing into town and having anonymous shills 
    attempt to tear down their competitors ministries. Is that how you've 
    managed to grow at such a prodigious rate? Or, as is far more likely to be 
    the case, do we have some of the same old, same old trying yet again to 
    duplicitously further their little agenda. I'm guessing the latter. Do you 
    guys really think that coming up with endless pseudonyms and fictitious 
    organizations is fooling anyone? sadly, I guess you must.
     
    g
    
      ----- 
      Original Message ----- 
      From: 
      Christ's 
      Avengers 
      To: 
      vision2020 at moscow.com 
      Cc: 
      askreallife at reallifeministries.com 
      
      Sent: 
      Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:42 PM
      Subject: 
      [Vision2020] A Caution
      

      If 
      Giselle McCourt and the brothers and sisters at Real Life Ministries are 
      really serious about rooting out ungodly pastors, priests, ministers, etc, 
      they need to start with the specious, unordained pastor of the horribly 
      misnamed Christ Church of Moscow, Idaho, to wit, Douglas 
Wilson.
      Here are some links as 
      starters that will give them some insight into this driven, dishonest, 
      power-hungry, self-loving, conniver who dares to mock Jesus Christ by 
      pretending to be His Messenger.
 
      A 
      thoroughly documented site by true Christians:
http://dougsplotch.com/
      

      Another thoroughly documented 
      site, although by a non-believer, which never-the-less offers a wealth of 
      information:
http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/
      Of 
      special interest on this site showing the ugly fruits of a ministry 
      hideously departed from the True Way of Jesus Christ:
http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/
http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR%5F2005%5F0250Wight/
       
      An 
      extremely revealing site from a Christ Church Apostate:
http://poohsthink.com/

      Another well-documented 
      website:
http://federal-vision.blogspot.com/

      Other websites of 
      interest:
      http://cultists.blogspot.com/
http://cleaning-house.org/
http://ministrywatchman.com/?p=47
http://www.joshualetter.org/slavery/ 
      
       
       
      Not to be ignored: 
      

      The archives of Vision 2020 
      where insightful comment can be found:
      http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=new
http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=old 
      
      The letters of Keely 
      Emerine-Mix, Rose Huskey, Saundra Lund, J Ford, Michael Metzler, and other 
      referents found in those letters clearly expose the wayward 
      Wilson.

      Christ's Avengers
Bowness, 
      Alberta, Canada
 
      Some of our Watchwords from 
      Jesus Christ, Matt 7:15 – 20:
      15 
      Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly 
      are ravenous wolves.  16 You will know them by their 
      fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from 
      thistles?  17 In the same way, every good tree bears 
      good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.  18 A good 
      tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good 
      fruit.  19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is 
      cut down and thrown into the fire.  20 Thus you will 
      know them by their fruits.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
      


Amen!

Giselle's thoughts on this are much appreciated, 
      and I sincerely hope they touch the hearts of those who have been 
      shattered by "pastors" who would usurp the autonomy of the believer in 
      her/his relationship with Jesus Christ.  The Gospel is a message of 
      reconciliation, liberation, grace, forgiveness, unbridled love and 
      humility.  It is not a means by which to insinuate oneself into the 
      lives and consciences of others.  And while community and fellowship 
      are vital for the spiritual health of the believer, the intimate 
      relationship of a man or woman to his or her Savior is the province of 
      their Spirit-informed conscience, not a tool to further the controlling, 
      aggressive and manipulative agenda of anyone who sees himself as the top 
      rung of a hierarchy the Gospel intends to dismantle.

If I were 
      confronted with the message and behavior of the leadership at Christ 
      Church and didn't know Jesus Christ, I would run away as fast as I 
      could.  It's not a picture of a savior I'd want to have anything to 
      do with.  But I do know Jesus, and so I choose to stand toe-to-toe in 
      opposition to anyone who would pervert the Gospel and misrepresent the One 
      to whom I owe my very heart and soul.   I'm grateful for 
      Giselle's voice and pray it will reach those who've been hurt by the 
      tsunami of bigotry and pride that is Kirk 
      leadership.

keely






      
        
        Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:46:42 -0700
From: giselle.wilson.mccourt at gmail.com
To: 
        vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: 
        [Vision2020] A Caution


        Dear Friends in Christ and 
        Neighbors of Goodwill,
         
        This 
        short message is addressed to those of you from other area churches who 
        attended the Launch Service of Real Life Ministries last Sunday and to 
        those that might like to attend further services in order to see if Real 
        Ministries could become the church of your choice.
        There are certain pastors in 
        this area who look upon their congregations as their personal 
        property.  They covetously regard members of their 
        congregations as chattel to be used as they decree rather than as souls 
        to be lovingly guided into the arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and into 
        the way of righteousness, goodwill, and eternal salvation.
        These unholy pastors often 
        resort to dire and to unchristian measures to either persuade or to 
        force members to remain shackled in the ungodly, grasping jaws of their 
        spurious ministries.  Hence, I repeat the following 
        from my first message (also appended).  (If you 
        know any trapped and struggling Christians caught in such circumstances, 
        please, please help them by forwarding this message.
        

        The choice you 
        make of the Christian church to attend is a matter between you and God, 
        only.  You do not need to ask or receive anyone's 
        permission to change Christian churches, nor do you owe anyone notice or 
        an explanation if you do.  It is a decision between 
        you and God alone.  If your pastor or members of your 
        church attempt to coerce or to wheedle you in any way to remain in the 
        grasp of their church – persistent pressure, guilt, promises, visits, 
        telephone calls, threats, spying, extortive tactics, feigned sweetness, 
        feigned concern for your soul, etc, – you are not in a church which 
        preaches the True Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and who sincerely 
        loves The Lord Jesus Christ.  If any of the above 
        unchristian tactics has been applied or is applied to you please let the 
        good folks at Real Life Ministries know:  askreallife at reallifeministries.com

        Reminder:  
        Great news!  The fastest growing church 
        in America, Real Life Ministries, is now in Latah County.
        http://www.reallifeministries.com/index.php
        http://moscowreallife.com/home.html
         Come, join, and start 
        to be united with the community and God through Our Lord Jesus 
        Christ.
        
Real Life 
        Services
        Sunday, October, 7th 9:00 
        and 11:00 AM, 3148 Tomer Rd.
        Directions:
        From 
        Moscow:  Travel east on Highway 8.  
        Turn right onto Carmichael Road.  Turn left 
        onto Tomer Road.  Continue until you reach Palouse 
        Hills Christian School.
        From 
        Troy:  Travel west on Highway 8.  
        Turn left onto Lenville Road.  Turn right onto 
        Tomer Road .  Continue until you reach Palouse Hills 
        Christian School.
        
Your neighbor and friend 
        in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
        Giselle 
        McCourt
         
         
        This message has neither 
        been officially approved nor sent by the Boards of Directors of Real 
        Life Ministries, Inc., Real Life Ministries, Ltd., Real Life Ministries, 
        Cie. nor any member thereof.
         
         


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Previous 
        Message


        
        Dear Neighbors and 
        Friends in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
        Please pass this 
        message on to anyone it might benefit.
         
         
        Regardless of the 
        church you now attend, for the sake of your own eternal 
        salvation in Our Lord Jesus Christ, please take some time to consider 
        very carefully in your heart of hearts the following questions. 

        Does your pastor unite the 
        community or does your pastor divide it? 

        Does your pastor respect 
        everyone equally or does your pastor have favorites amongst your 
        congregation? 

        Does your pastor disdain 
        or ignore the worth of any or many of God's children? 

        Does your pastor display 
        way too much self-love? 

        Is your pastor much too 
        fond of rich foods, fine wines, and other voluptuary pleasures? 

        Is your pastor ever 
        vindictive, spiteful, punitive, or dishonest especially towards those 
        with whom your pastor disagrees or those who have chosen in God's name 
        to leave the clutches of his ministry? 

        Would you trust your 
        pastor with your purse?  With your real estate 
        agent?  With your wife? 

        Does your pastor hold 
        wacko ideas like the antebellum slaves were a happy lot and lived in 
        wonderful harmony with their masters? 

        At your pastor's rigid 
        insistence is your church music full of dark, chilling, mournful words 
        and music rather than raising a "Joyful noise unto the Lord" as 
        commanded by the bible?   Psalms 100 
        

        Has your pastor engineered 
        the purchase land for a new church that is not only too small for a 
        church and cemetery, but even too small for a moderately sized 
        church?  Did your pastor pay about twice the market 
        value for the land?  Is that land now known as 
        "------'s Folly?" 

        Does your pastor demand, 
        coerce, or wheedle so much tithe that it hurts your ability to give what 
        they need and they deserve to your family and community?  
        Have you been asked to sacrifice heavily and to tithe in God's 
        name so that your pastor can pursue his ambitious, mostly personal 
        goals? 

        Does your pastor's money 
        management problems and love of his pet projects that serve him more 
        than God often lead to calls for further tithing and 
        sacrifices?  Does your pastor try to con and to 
        manipulate you by insinuating that the amount of your tithe is directly 
        proportional to your love of Our Lord Jesus Christ, champion of the 
        poor?  Matthew 19:16 - 30, Matthew 25:31 - 46 

        Does your pastor pack the 
        various parts of his ministry's payroll with overpaid relatives and 
        kowtowing friends and their relatives, thus putting even more stress on 
        church finances and leading to further demands for tithes? 

        Does your pastor look at 
        new members more as a source of tithes and straw and mud with which to 
        build his empire, rather than as souls to guide into the loving arms of 
        Our Lord Jesus Christ? 

        Does your church have a 
        hidden missing funds problem?  If so, is it possible that some of 
        those funds have disappeared into off-shore accounts of which your 
        pastor is the sole signatory? 

        Does your pastor flout the 
        civil law?  Romans 13:1 – 7 

        Does your pastor ever 
        direct members of your church to perform illegal or sinful activities or 
        to ignore illegal or sinful activities done by church members? 

        Does your pastor ever 
        practice flagrant dishonesty in the name of The Lord or in claiming to 
        do the work of The Lord?  Is this something Jesus 
        would do? 

        Are your pastor's 
        theological views so far out that were recently rejected by over 96% of 
        a very large body of his fellow Reformed Disciples that carefully 
        examined them? 

        When vehemently defending 
        his version of The Word of God as the only "correct one," does your 
        pastor sometimes appear to be mentally disturbed? 

        Is your pastor more 
        interested in enriching himself and his family then your pastor is in 
        exhibiting himself as shining, living example of the Life and Teachings 
        of Jesus Christ, especially doing this by showing agape towards all, 
        showing humility, showing disdain for wealth and its trappings, and 
        showing great concern and charity for all the poor and 
        unfortunate?  Matthew 19:16 - 30 

        Does your pastor have a 
        double standard when it comes to adultery?  When it 
        comes to rape and adultery in church schools? 

        Has your pastor encouraged 
        divorces when it would benefit him in a very personal way, or encouraged 
        divorces with unchristian vindictiveness to inflict great pain and 
        sorrow upon certain critics of his actions and claimed beliefs? 

        Does your pastor ever 
        appear to place himself on an equal footing or above God? 

        Does your pastor place 
        himself as a barrier between you and God?  Does your pastor 
        blasphemously style himself/herself as a necessary conduit between you 
        and God?

        Does your pastor blame 
        others for his shortcomings? 

        After having made a 
        serious mistake in judgment does your pastor own up to it, or does your 
        pastor sometimes claim he/she has a secret plan and the congregation 
        must "trust" him/her that eventually all will be right? 

        Does your pastor keep 
        important church information secret from not only the congregation, but 
        from some of the elders and deacons too? 

        Does your pastor 
        unchristianly operate your church like a secret society in the community 
        rather than like the open arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ? 

        Has your pastor imported 
        child molesters into the community?  If so, is it 
        possible that your pastor knew something of their particular sinful 
        proclivities beforehand, but imported them anyway? 

        Has your pastor written a 
        letter supporting leniency for a convicted child molester, one who did 
        dreadful, despicable things to many different children, who attended one 
        of the ministry's schools, and one who defiled the children of the 
        church family with whom he boarded?   If so, was 
        that letter hypocritically contrary to your pastor's past preaching, and 
        most important, blasphemously contrary to the requirements of The Word 
        of God? 

        Does your business or 
        relationships with your neighbors suffer because your pastor has – with 
        his outré views, unchristian actions, and harsh, in your face, 
        unchristian polemics – caused many of the community to shun your 
        business or avoid yourself and your family? 

        Does your pastor use 
        divisive tactics and polemics to persuade you from listening to the 
        words of your neighbors and dividing you from them? 

        Does the majority of your 
        community regard your pastor as a crook, clown, or perhaps even an 
        anti-Christ? 

        Does your pastor ever 
        bring to mind the following passage from Matthew 7:15 - 20?  
        

        15 
        Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but 
        inwardly are ravenous wolves.
        16 You 
        will know them by their fruits.  Are grapes gathered 
        from thorns, or figs from thistles?
        17 In 
        the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears 
        bad fruit.
        18 A 
        good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
        19 
        Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the 
        fire.
                        
        20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
 
        Does your pastor make up 
        insulting, abusive names for those that question his bizarre views and 
        actions?  Does your pastor belittle his critics and 
        assassinate their characters or take other vindictive, punitive measures 
        rather than act like Our Loving Lord Jesus would?  
        Matthew 5:38 - 48 

        Does your pastor attempt 
        to coerce and to wheedle your continuing church membership rather than 
        trust in your faith in God and God-given conscience to guide you to make 
        the right choice of church to attend?*** 

         
        Does any answer to any 
        of the above questions about your pastor trouble you?  
        Does any answer trouble you especially considered in the light of 
        the Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and your God-given 
        conscience?  If so, then perhaps it is time for the 
        sake of your immortal soul to consider moving to a true church of Our 
        Lord Jesus Christ in God, and away from a church that will only lead you 
        away from the path of righteousness, goodwill, and eternal 
salvation.
        

        Great 
        news!  The fastest growing church in America, 
        Real Life Ministries, is coming to Latah County.
        http://www.reallifeministries.com/index.php
        http://moscowreallife.com/home.html
        

        Come, join, and start to 
        be united with the community and God through Our Lord Jesus Christ.
        
Real Life Launch 
        Services
        Sunday, October, 7th 
        9:00 and 11:00 AM, 3148 Tomer Rd.
         
         Directions:
         From Moscow: 
         Travel east on Highway 8.  Turn 
        right onto Carmichael Road.  Turn left onto Tomer 
        Road.  Continue until you reach Palouse Hills 
        Christian School.
         From 
        Troy:  Travel west on Highway 8.  
        Turn left onto Lenville Road.  Turn right onto 
        Tomer Road .  Continue until you reach Palouse Hills 
        Christian School.
        
I hope to see you 
        there.
         
        Your neighbor and friend 
        in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
        Giselle McCourt
         
         
        ***The choice you make of 
        the Christian church to attend is a matter between you and God, 
        only.  You do not need to ask or receive anyone's 
        permission to change Christian churches, nor do you owe anyone notice or 
        an explanation if you do.  It is a decision between 
        you and God alone.  If your pastor or members of your 
        church attempt to coerce or to wheedle you in any way to remain in the 
        grasp of their church – persistent pressure, guilt, promises, visits, 
        telephone calls, threats, spying, extortive tactics, feigned sweetness, 
        feigned concern for your soul, etc, – you are not in a church which 
        preaches the True Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and who sincerely 
        loves The Lord Jesus Christ.  If any of the above 
        unchristian tactics has been applied or is applied to you please let the 
        good folks at Real Life Ministries know:  askreallife at reallifeministries.com 
 
 
This message has neither 
        been officially approved nor sent by the Boards of Directors of Real 
        Life Ministries, Inc., Real Life Ministries, Ltd., Real Life Ministries, 
        Cie. nor any member thereof.



      
      
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