[Vision2020] A Caution

Wed Oct 10 10:46:20 PDT 2007

J:]

That's "Schwaller"

Still batting 0.000 I see.  Keep tryin tho, the odds are with ya!

GS

On 10/10/07, J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>  And you'd excuse the "sportzboysfromthehood", Princess T, G Schwalling,
> etc. for posting using factious names - HOW?!
>
> J :]
>
>
> ------------------------------
> From: jampot at roadrunner.com
> To: christs.avengers.bowness.alta at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:58:47 -0700
> CC: askreallife at reallifeministries.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Caution
>
> Christ requires earthly avengers? And from Canada no less. Kind of makes
> me wonder and NOT in the way that "Giselle" and the "avengers" would
> probably prefer. I'd love to hear from a real representative of "the fastest
> growing church in America" and have them explain the effectiveness of
> blowing into town and having anonymous shills attempt to tear down their
> competitors ministries. Is that how you've managed to grow at such a
> prodigious rate? Or, as is far more likely to be the case, do we have some
> of the same old, same old trying yet again to duplicitously further their
> little agenda. I'm guessing the latter. Do you guys really think that coming
> up with endless pseudonyms and fictitious organizations is fooling anyone?
> sadly, I guess you must.
>
> g
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Christ's Avengers <christs.avengers.bowness.alta at gmail.com>
> *To:* vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Cc:* askreallife at reallifeministries.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:42 PM
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] A Caution
>
> If Giselle McCourt and the brothers and sisters at Real Life Ministries
> are really serious about rooting out ungodly pastors, priests, ministers,
> etc, they need to start with the specious, unordained pastor of the horribly
> misnamed Christ Church of Moscow, Idaho, to wit, Douglas Wilson.
>
> Here are some links as starters that will give them some insight into this
> driven, dishonest, power-hungry, self-loving, conniver who dares to mock
> Jesus Christ by pretending to be His Messenger.
>
>
> A thoroughly documented site by true Christians:
> http://dougsplotch.com/
>
>
> Another thoroughly documented site, although by a non-believer, which
> never-the-less offers a wealth of information:
> http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/
>
> Of special interest on this site showing the ugly fruits of a ministry
> hideously departed from the True Way of Jesus Christ:
> http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/
> http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR%5F2005%5F0250Wight/<http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_0250Wight/>
>
>
>
> An extremely revealing site from a Christ Church Apostate:
> http://poohsthink.com/
>
> Another well-documented website:
> http://federal-vision.blogspot.com/
>
> Other websites of interest:
>
> http://cultists.blogspot.com/
> http://cleaning-house.org/
> http://ministrywatchman.com/?p=47
> http://www.joshualetter.org/slavery/
> <http://www.joshualetter.org/slavery/>
>
>
>
>
>
> Not to be ignored:
>
> The archives of Vision 2020 where insightful comment can be found:
>
> http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=new
> http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=old
> <http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=old>
>
> The letters of Keely Emerine-Mix, Rose Huskey, Saundra Lund, J Ford,
> Michael Metzler, and other referents found in those letters clearly expose
> the wayward Wilson.
>
> Christ's Avengers
> Bowness, Alberta, Canada
>
>
> Some of our Watchwords from Jesus Christ, Matt 7:15 – 20:
>
> 15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but
> inwardly are ravenous wolves.  16 You will know them by their fruits. Are
> grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles?  17 In the same way,
> every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.  18 A
> good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.  19
> Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the
> fire.  20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> Amen!
>
> Giselle's thoughts on this are much appreciated, and I sincerely hope they
> touch the hearts of those who have been shattered by "pastors" who would
> usurp the autonomy of the believer in her/his relationship with Jesus
> Christ.  The Gospel is a message of reconciliation, liberation, grace,
> forgiveness, unbridled love and humility.  It is not a means by which to
> insinuate oneself into the lives and consciences of others.  And while
> community and fellowship are vital for the spiritual health of the believer,
> the intimate relationship of a man or woman to his or her Savior is the
> province of their Spirit-informed conscience, not a tool to further the
> controlling, aggressive and manipulative agenda of anyone who sees himself
> as the top rung of a hierarchy the Gospel intends to dismantle.
>
> If I were confronted with the message and behavior of the leadership at
> Christ Church and didn't know Jesus Christ, I would run away as fast as I
> could.  It's not a picture of a savior I'd want to have anything to do
> with.  But I do know Jesus, and so I choose to stand toe-to-toe in
> opposition to anyone who would pervert the Gospel and misrepresent the One
> to whom I owe my very heart and soul.   I'm grateful for Giselle's voice and
> pray it will reach those who've been hurt by the tsunami of bigotry and
> pride that is Kirk leadership.
>
> keely
>
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:46:42 -0700
> From: giselle.wilson.mccourt at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] A Caution
>
> *Dear Friends in Christ and Neighbors of Goodwill,*
>
>
>
> This short message is addressed to those of you from other area churches
> who attended the Launch Service of Real Life Ministries last Sunday and to
> those that might like to attend further services in order to see if Real
> Ministries could become the church of your choice.
>
> There are certain pastors in this area who look upon their congregations
> as their personal property.  They covetously regard members of their
> congregations as chattel to be used as they decree rather than as souls to
> be lovingly guided into the arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and into the way
> of righteousness, goodwill, and eternal salvation.
>
> These unholy pastors often resort to dire and to unchristian measures to
> either persuade or to force members to remain shackled in the ungodly,
> grasping jaws of their spurious ministries.  Hence, I repeat the following
> from my first message (also appended).  *(If you know any trapped and
> struggling Christians caught in such circumstances, please, please help them
> by forwarding this message.*
>
>
> The choice you make of the Christian church to attend is a matter between
> you and God, only.  You do not need to ask or receive anyone's permission
> to change Christian churches, nor do you owe anyone notice or an explanation
> if you do.  It is a decision between you and God alone.  If your pastor or
> members of your church attempt to coerce or to wheedle you in any way to
> remain in the grasp of their church – persistent pressure, guilt, promises,
> visits, telephone calls, threats, spying, extortive tactics, feigned
> sweetness, feigned concern for your soul, etc, – you are not in a church
> which preaches the True Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and who sincerely
> loves The Lord Jesus Christ.  If any of the above unchristian tactics has
> been applied or is applied to you please let the good folks at Real Life
> Ministries know:  askreallife at reallifeministries.com<askreallife at reallifeministries.com?subject=Ask%20Real%20Life>
>
> *Reminder:*  *Great news!*  The fastest growing church in America, *Real
> Life Ministries*, is now in Latah County.
>
> http://www.reallifeministries.com/index.php
>
> http://moscowreallife.com/home.html
>
>  Come, join, and start to be united with the community and God through Our
> Lord Jesus Christ.
>
>
> *Real Life Services*
>
> *Sunday, October, 7th 9:00 and 11:00 AM, 3148 Tomer Rd.*
>
> Directions:
>
> From Moscow:  Travel east on Highway 8.  Turn right onto Carmichael Road.
> Turn left onto Tomer Road.  Continue until you reach Palouse Hills
> Christian School.
>
> From Troy:  Travel west on Highway 8.  Turn left onto Lenville Road.  Turn
> right onto Tomer Road .  Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian
> School.
>
>
> Your neighbor and friend in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
>
> Giselle McCourt
>
>
>
>
>
> This message has neither been officially approved nor sent by the Boards
> of Directors of Real Life Ministries, Inc., Real Life Ministries, Ltd., Real
> Life Ministries, Cie. nor any member thereof.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ************************************************************
> Previous Message
>
>  *Dear Neighbors and Friends in Our Lord Jesus Christ,*
>
> *Please pass this message on to anyone it might benefit.*
>
>
>
>
>
> *Regardless of the church you now attend*, for the sake of your own
> eternal salvation in Our Lord Jesus Christ, please take some time to
> consider very carefully in your heart of hearts the following questions.
>
> Does your pastor unite the community or does your pastor divide it?
>
> Does your pastor respect everyone equally or does your pastor have
> favorites amongst your congregation?
>
> Does your pastor disdain or ignore the worth of any or many of God's
> children?
>
> Does your pastor display way too much self-love?
>
> Is your pastor much too fond of rich foods, fine wines, and other
> voluptuary pleasures?
>
> Is your pastor ever vindictive, spiteful, punitive, or dishonest
> especially towards those with whom your pastor disagrees or those who have
> chosen in God's name to leave the clutches of his ministry?
>
> Would you trust your pastor with your purse?  With your real estate agent?
> With your wife?
>
> Does your pastor hold wacko ideas like the antebellum slaves were a happy
> lot and lived in wonderful harmony with their masters?
>
> At your pastor's rigid insistence is your church music full of dark,
> chilling, mournful words and music rather than raising a "Joyful noise unto
> the Lord" as commanded by the bible?   Psalms 100
>
> Has your pastor engineered the purchase land for a new church that is not
> only too small for a church and cemetery, but even too small for a
> moderately sized church?  Did your pastor pay about twice the market value
> for the land?  Is that land now known as "------'s Folly?"
>
> Does your pastor demand, coerce, or wheedle so much tithe that it hurts
> your ability to give what they need and they deserve to your family and
> community?  Have you been asked to sacrifice heavily and to tithe in God's
> name so that your pastor can pursue his ambitious, mostly personal goals?
>
> Does your pastor's money management problems and love of his pet projects
> that serve him more than God often lead to calls for further tithing and
> sacrifices?  Does your pastor try to con and to manipulate you by
> insinuating that the amount of your tithe is directly proportional to your
> love of Our Lord Jesus Christ, champion of the poor?  Matthew 19:16 - 30,
> Matthew 25:31 - 46
>
> Does your pastor pack the various parts of his ministry's payroll with
> overpaid relatives and kowtowing friends and their relatives, thus putting
> even more stress on church finances and leading to further demands for
> tithes?
>
> Does your pastor look at new members more as a source of tithes and straw
> and mud with which to build his empire, rather than as souls to guide into
> the loving arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ?
>
> Does your church have a hidden missing funds problem?  If so, is it
> possible that some of those funds have disappeared into off-shore accounts
> of which your pastor is the sole signatory?
>
> Does your pastor flout the civil law?  Romans 13:1 – 7
>
> Does your pastor ever direct members of your church to perform illegal or
> sinful activities or to ignore illegal or sinful activities done by church
> members?
>
> Does your pastor ever practice flagrant dishonesty in the name of The Lord
> or in claiming to do the work of The Lord?  Is this something Jesus would
> do?
>
> Are your pastor's theological views so far out that were recently rejected
> by over 96% of a very large body of his fellow Reformed Disciples that
> carefully examined them?
>
> When vehemently defending his version of The Word of God as the only
> "correct one," does your pastor sometimes appear to be mentally disturbed?
>
> Is your pastor more interested in enriching himself and his family then
> your pastor is in exhibiting himself as shining, living example of the Life
> and Teachings of Jesus Christ, especially doing this by showing agape
> towards all, showing humility, showing disdain for wealth and its trappings,
> and showing great concern and charity for all the poor and unfortunate?  Matthew
> 19:16 - 30
>
> Does your pastor have a double standard when it comes to adultery?  When
> it comes to rape and adultery in church schools?
>
> Has your pastor encouraged divorces when it would benefit him in a very
> personal way, or encouraged divorces with unchristian vindictiveness to
> inflict great pain and sorrow upon certain critics of his actions and
> claimed beliefs?
>
> Does your pastor ever appear to place himself on an equal footing or above
> God?
>
> Does your pastor place himself as a barrier between you and God?  Does
> your pastor blasphemously style himself/herself as a necessary conduit
> between you and God?
>
> Does your pastor blame others for his shortcomings?
>
> After having made a serious mistake in judgment does your pastor own up to
> it, or does your pastor sometimes claim he/she has a secret plan and the
> congregation must "trust" him/her that eventually all will be right?
>
> Does your pastor keep important church information secret from not only
> the congregation, but from some of the elders and deacons too?
>
> Does your pastor unchristianly operate your church like a secret society
> in the community rather than like the open arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ?
>
> Has your pastor imported child molesters into the community?  If so, is it
> possible that your pastor knew something of their particular sinful
> proclivities beforehand, but imported them anyway?
>
> Has your pastor written a letter supporting leniency for a convicted child
> molester, one who did dreadful, despicable things to many different
> children, who attended one of the ministry's schools, and one who defiled
> the children of the church family with whom he boarded?   If so, was that
> letter hypocritically contrary to your pastor's past preaching, and most
> important, blasphemously contrary to the requirements of The Word of God?
>
> Does your business or relationships with your neighbors suffer because
> your pastor has – with his outré views, unchristian actions, and harsh, in
> your face, unchristian polemics – caused many of the community to shun your
> business or avoid yourself and your family?
>
> Does your pastor use divisive tactics and polemics to persuade you from
> listening to the words of your neighbors and dividing you from them?
>
> Does the majority of your community regard your pastor as a crook, clown,
> or perhaps even an anti-Christ?
>
> Does your pastor ever bring to mind the following passage from Matthew
> 7:15 - 20?
>
> 15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but
> inwardly are ravenous wolves.
>
> 16 You will know them by their fruits.  Are grapes gathered from thorns,
> or figs from thistles?
>
> 17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree
> bears bad fruit.
>
> 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
>
> 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into
> the fire.
>
>                 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
>
>
> Does your pastor make up insulting, abusive names for those that question
> his bizarre views and actions?  Does your pastor belittle his critics and
> assassinate their characters or take other vindictive, punitive measures
> rather than act like Our Loving Lord Jesus would?  Matthew 5:38 - 48
>
> Does your pastor attempt to coerce and to wheedle your continuing church
> membership rather than trust in your faith in God and God-given conscience
> to guide you to make the right choice of church to attend?***
>
>
>
> *Does any answer to any of the above questions about your pastor trouble
> you?*  Does any answer trouble you especially considered in the light of
> the Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and your God-given conscience?  If
> so, then perhaps it is time for the sake of your immortal soul to consider
> moving to a true church of Our Lord Jesus Christ in God, and away from a
> church that will only lead you away from the path of righteousness,
> goodwill, and eternal salvation.
>
>
> *Great news!*  The fastest growing church in America, *Real Life
> Ministries*, is coming to Latah County.
>
> http://www.reallifeministries.com/index.php
>
> http://moscowreallife.com/home.html
>
>
> Come, join, and start to be united with the community and God through Our
> Lord Jesus Christ.
>
>
> *Real Life Launch Services*
>
> *Sunday, October, 7th 9:00 and 11:00 AM, 3148 Tomer Rd.*
>
>
>
>  Directions:
>
>  From Moscow:  Travel east on Highway 8.  Turn right onto Carmichael Road.
> Turn left onto Tomer Road.  Continue until you reach Palouse Hills
> Christian School.
>
>  From Troy:  Travel west on Highway 8.  Turn left onto Lenville Road.  Turn
> right onto Tomer Road .  Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian
> School.
>
>
> I hope to see you there.
>
>
>
> Your neighbor and friend in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
>
> Giselle McCourt
>
>
>
>
>
> ***The choice you make of the Christian church to attend is a matter
> between you and God, only.  You do not need to ask or receive anyone's
> permission to change Christian churches, nor do you owe anyone notice or an
> explanation if you do.  It is a decision between you and God alone.  If
> your pastor or members of your church attempt to coerce or to wheedle you in
> any way to remain in the grasp of their church – persistent pressure, guilt,
> promises, visits, telephone calls, threats, spying, extortive tactics,
> feigned sweetness, feigned concern for your soul, etc, – you are not in a
> church which preaches the True Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and who
> sincerely loves The Lord Jesus Christ.  If any of the above unchristian
> tactics has been applied or is applied to you please let the good folks at
> Real Life Ministries know:  askreallife at reallifeministries.com<askreallife at reallifeministries.com?subject=Ask%20Real%20Life>
>
>
>
> This message has neither been officially approved nor sent by the Boards
> of Directors of Real Life Ministries, Inc., Real Life Ministries, Ltd., Real
> Life Ministries, Cie. nor any member thereof.
>
>
>
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