[Vision2020] A Caution
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Wed Oct 10 07:50:11 PDT 2007
And you'd excuse the "sportzboysfromthehood", Princess T, G Schwalling, etc. for posting using factious names - HOW?!
J :]
From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: christs.avengers.bowness.alta at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:58:47 -0700
CC: askreallife at reallifeministries.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Caution
Christ requires earthly avengers? And from Canada
no less. Kind of makes me wonder and NOT in the way that "Giselle" and the
"avengers" would probably prefer. I'd love to hear from a real representative of
"the fastest growing church in America" and have them explain the effectiveness
of blowing into town and having anonymous shills attempt to tear down their
competitors ministries. Is that how you've managed to grow at such a prodigious
rate? Or, as is far more likely to be the case, do we have some of the same old,
same old trying yet again to duplicitously further their little agenda. I'm
guessing the latter. Do you guys really think that coming up with endless
pseudonyms and fictitious organizations is fooling anyone? sadly, I guess you
must.
g
----- Original Message -----
From:
Christ's Avengers
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Cc: askreallife at reallifeministries.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:42
PM
Subject: [Vision2020] A Caution
If
Giselle McCourt and the brothers and sisters at Real Life Ministries are
really serious about rooting out ungodly pastors, priests, ministers, etc,
they need to start with the specious, unordained pastor of the horribly
misnamed Christ Church of Moscow, Idaho, to wit, Douglas Wilson.
Here are
some links as starters that will give them some insight into this driven,
dishonest, power-hungry, self-loving, conniver who dares to mock Jesus Christ
by pretending to be His Messenger.
A
thoroughly documented site by true Christians:
http://dougsplotch.com/
Another
thoroughly documented site, although by a non-believer, which never-the-less
offers a wealth of information:
http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/
Of
special interest on this site showing the ugly fruits of a ministry hideously
departed from the True Way of Jesus Christ:
http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/
http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR%5F2005%5F0250Wight/
An
extremely revealing site from a Christ Church Apostate:
http://poohsthink.com/
Another
well-documented website:
http://federal-vision.blogspot.com/
Other
websites of interest:
http://cultists.blogspot.com/
http://cleaning-house.org/
http://ministrywatchman.com/?p=47
http://www.joshualetter.org/slavery/
Not to be
ignored:
The
archives of Vision 2020 where insightful comment can be found:
http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=new
http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=old
The
letters of Keely Emerine-Mix, Rose Huskey, Saundra Lund, J Ford, Michael
Metzler, and other referents found in those letters clearly expose the wayward
Wilson.
Christ's
Avengers
Bowness, Alberta, Canada
Some of
our Watchwords from Jesus Christ, Matt 7:15 – 20:
15 Beware
of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are
ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are
grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 In
the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad
fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad
tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good
fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you
will know them by their fruits.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Amen!
Giselle's thoughts on this are much appreciated, and
I sincerely hope they touch the hearts of those who have been shattered by
"pastors" who would usurp the autonomy of the believer in her/his relationship
with Jesus Christ. The Gospel is a message of reconciliation,
liberation, grace, forgiveness, unbridled love and humility. It is not a
means by which to insinuate oneself into the lives and consciences of
others. And while community and fellowship are vital for the spiritual
health of the believer, the intimate relationship of a man or woman to his or
her Savior is the province of their Spirit-informed conscience, not a tool to
further the controlling, aggressive and manipulative agenda of anyone who sees
himself as the top rung of a hierarchy the Gospel intends to
dismantle.
If I were confronted with the message and behavior of the
leadership at Christ Church and didn't know Jesus Christ, I would run away as
fast as I could. It's not a picture of a savior I'd want to have
anything to do with. But I do know Jesus, and so I choose to stand
toe-to-toe in opposition to anyone who would pervert the Gospel and
misrepresent the One to whom I owe my very heart and soul. I'm
grateful for Giselle's voice and pray it will reach those who've been hurt by
the tsunami of bigotry and pride that is Kirk
leadership.
keely
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:46:42 -0700
From: giselle.wilson.mccourt at gmail.com
To:
vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject:
[Vision2020] A Caution
Dear
Friends in Christ and Neighbors of Goodwill,
This short
message is addressed to those of you from other area churches who attended
the Launch Service of Real Life Ministries last Sunday and to those that
might like to attend further services in order to see if Real Ministries
could become the church of your choice.
There are
certain pastors in this area who look upon their congregations as their
personal property. They covetously regard members of
their congregations as chattel to be used as they decree rather than as
souls to be lovingly guided into the arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and into
the way of righteousness, goodwill, and eternal salvation.
These
unholy pastors often resort to dire and to unchristian measures to either
persuade or to force members to remain shackled in the ungodly, grasping
jaws of their spurious ministries. Hence, I repeat the
following from my first message (also appended). (If
you know any trapped and struggling Christians caught in such circumstances,
please, please help them by forwarding this message.
The choice you make of the Christian church to attend is a matter
between you and God, only. You do not need to ask or
receive anyone's permission to change Christian churches, nor do you owe
anyone notice or an explanation if you do. It is a
decision between you and God alone. If your pastor or
members of your church attempt to coerce or to wheedle you in any way to
remain in the grasp of their church – persistent pressure, guilt, promises,
visits, telephone calls, threats, spying, extortive tactics, feigned
sweetness, feigned concern for your soul, etc, – you are not in a church
which preaches the True Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and who sincerely
loves The Lord Jesus Christ. If any of the above
unchristian tactics has been applied or is applied to you please let the
good folks at Real Life Ministries know: askreallife at reallifeministries.com
Reminder:
Great news! The fastest growing church in
America, Real Life Ministries, is now in Latah County.
http://www.reallifeministries.com/index.php
http://moscowreallife.com/home.html
Come,
join, and start to be united with the community and God through Our Lord
Jesus Christ.
Real
Life Services
Sunday,
October, 7th 9:00 and 11:00 AM, 3148 Tomer Rd.
Directions:
From
Moscow: Travel east on Highway 8. Turn
right onto Carmichael Road. Turn left onto Tomer
Road. Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian
School.
From
Troy: Travel west on Highway 8. Turn
left onto Lenville Road. Turn right onto Tomer Road
. Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian
School.
Your
neighbor and friend in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
Giselle
McCourt
This
message has neither been officially approved nor sent by the Boards of
Directors of Real Life Ministries, Inc., Real Life Ministries, Ltd., Real
Life Ministries, Cie. nor any member thereof.
************************************************************
Previous
Message
Dear Neighbors and Friends
in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
Please pass this message on
to anyone it might benefit.
Regardless of the church
you now attend, for the sake of your own eternal salvation in Our
Lord Jesus Christ, please take some time to consider very carefully in your
heart of hearts the following questions.
Does your pastor unite the
community or does your pastor divide it?
Does your pastor respect
everyone equally or does your pastor have favorites amongst your
congregation?
Does your pastor disdain or
ignore the worth of any or many of God's children?
Does your pastor display way
too much self-love?
Is your pastor much too fond
of rich foods, fine wines, and other voluptuary pleasures?
Is your pastor ever
vindictive, spiteful, punitive, or dishonest especially towards those with
whom your pastor disagrees or those who have chosen in God's name to leave
the clutches of his ministry?
Would you trust your pastor
with your purse? With your real estate agent?
With your wife?
Does your pastor hold wacko
ideas like the antebellum slaves were a happy lot and lived in wonderful
harmony with their masters?
At your pastor's rigid
insistence is your church music full of dark, chilling, mournful words and
music rather than raising a "Joyful noise unto the Lord" as commanded by the
bible? Psalms 100
Has your pastor engineered the
purchase land for a new church that is not only too small for a church and
cemetery, but even too small for a moderately sized church?
Did your pastor pay about twice the market value for the
land? Is that land now known as "------'s Folly?"
Does your pastor demand,
coerce, or wheedle so much tithe that it hurts your ability to give what
they need and they deserve to your family and community?
Have you been asked to sacrifice heavily and to tithe in God's name
so that your pastor can pursue his ambitious, mostly personal goals?
Does your pastor's money
management problems and love of his pet projects that serve him more than
God often lead to calls for further tithing and sacrifices?
Does your pastor try to con and to manipulate you by insinuating that
the amount of your tithe is directly proportional to your love of Our Lord
Jesus Christ, champion of the poor? Matthew 19:16 - 30,
Matthew 25:31 - 46
Does your pastor pack the
various parts of his ministry's payroll with overpaid relatives and
kowtowing friends and their relatives, thus putting even more stress on
church finances and leading to further demands for tithes?
Does your pastor look at new
members more as a source of tithes and straw and mud with which to build his
empire, rather than as souls to guide into the loving arms of Our Lord Jesus
Christ?
Does your church have a hidden
missing funds problem? If so, is it possible that some of those funds
have disappeared into off-shore accounts of which your pastor is the sole
signatory?
Does your pastor flout the
civil law? Romans 13:1 – 7
Does your pastor ever direct
members of your church to perform illegal or sinful activities or to ignore
illegal or sinful activities done by church members?
Does your pastor ever practice
flagrant dishonesty in the name of The Lord or in claiming to do the work of
The Lord? Is this something Jesus would do?
Are your pastor's theological
views so far out that were recently rejected by over 96% of a very large
body of his fellow Reformed Disciples that carefully examined them?
When vehemently defending his
version of The Word of God as the only "correct one," does your pastor
sometimes appear to be mentally disturbed?
Is your pastor more interested
in enriching himself and his family then your pastor is in exhibiting
himself as shining, living example of the Life and Teachings of Jesus
Christ, especially doing this by showing agape towards all, showing
humility, showing disdain for wealth and its trappings, and showing great
concern and charity for all the poor and unfortunate?
Matthew 19:16 - 30
Does your pastor have a double
standard when it comes to adultery? When it comes to rape
and adultery in church schools?
Has your pastor encouraged
divorces when it would benefit him in a very personal way, or encouraged
divorces with unchristian vindictiveness to inflict great pain and sorrow
upon certain critics of his actions and claimed beliefs?
Does your pastor ever appear
to place himself on an equal footing or above God?
Does your pastor place himself
as a barrier between you and God? Does your pastor blasphemously style
himself/herself as a necessary conduit between you and God?
Does your pastor blame others
for his shortcomings?
After having made a serious
mistake in judgment does your pastor own up to it, or does your pastor
sometimes claim he/she has a secret plan and the congregation must "trust"
him/her that eventually all will be right?
Does your pastor keep
important church information secret from not only the congregation, but from
some of the elders and deacons too?
Does your pastor unchristianly
operate your church like a secret society in the community rather than like
the open arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ?
Has your pastor imported child
molesters into the community? If so, is it possible that
your pastor knew something of their particular sinful proclivities
beforehand, but imported them anyway?
Has your pastor written a
letter supporting leniency for a convicted child molester, one who did
dreadful, despicable things to many different children, who attended one of
the ministry's schools, and one who defiled the children of the church
family with whom he boarded? If so, was that letter
hypocritically contrary to your pastor's past preaching, and most important,
blasphemously contrary to the requirements of The Word of God?
Does your business or
relationships with your neighbors suffer because your pastor has – with his
outré views, unchristian actions, and harsh, in your face, unchristian
polemics – caused many of the community to shun your business or avoid
yourself and your family?
Does your pastor use divisive
tactics and polemics to persuade you from listening to the words of your
neighbors and dividing you from them?
Does the majority of your
community regard your pastor as a crook, clown, or perhaps even an
anti-Christ?
Does your pastor ever bring to
mind the following passage from Matthew 7:15 - 20?
15 Beware
of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are
ravenous wolves.
16 You
will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from
thorns, or figs from thistles?
17 In the
same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad
fruit.
18 A good
tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 Every
tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
Does your pastor make up
insulting, abusive names for those that question his bizarre views and
actions? Does your pastor belittle his critics and
assassinate their characters or take other vindictive, punitive measures
rather than act like Our Loving Lord Jesus would? Matthew
5:38 - 48
Does your pastor attempt to
coerce and to wheedle your continuing church membership rather than trust in
your faith in God and God-given conscience to guide you to make the right
choice of church to attend?***
Does any answer to any of
the above questions about your pastor trouble you?
Does any answer trouble you especially considered in the light of the
Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and your God-given
conscience? If so, then perhaps it is time for the sake
of your immortal soul to consider moving to a true church of Our Lord Jesus
Christ in God, and away from a church that will only lead you away from the
path of righteousness, goodwill, and eternal salvation.
Great news!
The fastest growing church in America, Real Life Ministries,
is coming to Latah County.
http://www.reallifeministries.com/index.php
http://moscowreallife.com/home.html
Come, join, and start to be
united with the community and God through Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Real Life Launch
Services
Sunday, October, 7th 9:00
and 11:00 AM, 3148 Tomer Rd.
Directions:
From Moscow:
Travel east on Highway 8. Turn right
onto Carmichael Road. Turn left onto Tomer
Road. Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian
School.
From Troy:
Travel west on Highway 8. Turn left onto Lenville
Road. Turn right onto Tomer Road .
Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian School.
I hope to see you
there.
Your neighbor and friend in
Our Lord Jesus Christ,
Giselle
McCourt
***The choice you make of the
Christian church to attend is a matter between you and God,
only. You do not need to ask or receive anyone's
permission to change Christian churches, nor do you owe anyone notice or an
explanation if you do. It is a decision between you and
God alone. If your pastor or members of your church
attempt to coerce or to wheedle you in any way to remain in the grasp of
their church – persistent pressure, guilt, promises, visits, telephone
calls, threats, spying, extortive tactics, feigned sweetness, feigned
concern for your soul, etc, – you are not in a church which preaches the
True Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and who sincerely loves The Lord
Jesus Christ. If any of the above unchristian tactics has
been applied or is applied to you please let the good folks at Real Life
Ministries know: askreallife at reallifeministries.com
This message has neither been
officially approved nor sent by the Boards of Directors of Real Life
Ministries, Inc., Real Life Ministries, Ltd., Real Life Ministries, Cie. nor
any member thereof.
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