[Vision2020] A Caution

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Wed Oct 10 07:50:11 PDT 2007


And you'd excuse the "sportzboysfromthehood", Princess T, G Schwalling, etc. for posting using factious names - HOW?!

J  :]


From: jampot at roadrunner.com
To: christs.avengers.bowness.alta at gmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:58:47 -0700
CC: askreallife at reallifeministries.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Caution










Christ requires earthly avengers? And from Canada 
no less. Kind of makes me wonder and NOT in the way that "Giselle" and the 
"avengers" would probably prefer. I'd love to hear from a real representative of 
"the fastest growing church in America" and have them explain the effectiveness 
of blowing into town and having anonymous shills attempt to tear down their 
competitors ministries. Is that how you've managed to grow at such a prodigious 
rate? Or, as is far more likely to be the case, do we have some of the same old, 
same old trying yet again to duplicitously further their little agenda. I'm 
guessing the latter. Do you guys really think that coming up with endless 
pseudonyms and fictitious organizations is fooling anyone? sadly, I guess you 
must.
 
g

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Christ's Avengers 
  
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Cc: askreallife at reallifeministries.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:42 
  PM
  Subject: [Vision2020] A Caution
  

  If 
  Giselle McCourt and the brothers and sisters at Real Life Ministries are 
  really serious about rooting out ungodly pastors, priests, ministers, etc, 
  they need to start with the specious, unordained pastor of the horribly 
  misnamed Christ Church of Moscow, Idaho, to wit, Douglas Wilson.
  Here are 
  some links as starters that will give them some insight into this driven, 
  dishonest, power-hungry, self-loving, conniver who dares to mock Jesus Christ 
  by pretending to be His Messenger.
 
  A 
  thoroughly documented site by true Christians:
http://dougsplotch.com/
  

  Another 
  thoroughly documented site, although by a non-believer, which never-the-less 
  offers a wealth of information:
http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/
  Of 
  special interest on this site showing the ugly fruits of a ministry hideously 
  departed from the True Way of Jesus Christ:
http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/
http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR%5F2005%5F0250Wight/
   
  An 
  extremely revealing site from a Christ Church Apostate:
http://poohsthink.com/

  Another 
  well-documented website:
http://federal-vision.blogspot.com/

  Other 
  websites of interest:
  http://cultists.blogspot.com/
http://cleaning-house.org/
http://ministrywatchman.com/?p=47
http://www.joshualetter.org/slavery/ 
  
   
   
  Not to be 
  ignored: 

  The 
  archives of Vision 2020 where insightful comment can be found:
  http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=new
http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=old 
  
  The 
  letters of Keely Emerine-Mix, Rose Huskey, Saundra Lund, J Ford, Michael 
  Metzler, and other referents found in those letters clearly expose the wayward 
  Wilson.

  Christ's 
  Avengers
Bowness, Alberta, Canada
 
  Some of 
  our Watchwords from Jesus Christ, Matt 7:15 – 20:
  15 Beware 
  of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are 
  ravenous wolves.  16 You will know them by their fruits. Are 
  grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles?  17 In 
  the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad 
  fruit.  18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad 
  tree bear good fruit.  19 Every tree that does not bear good 
  fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.  20 Thus you 
  will know them by their fruits.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
  


Amen!

Giselle's thoughts on this are much appreciated, and 
  I sincerely hope they touch the hearts of those who have been shattered by 
  "pastors" who would usurp the autonomy of the believer in her/his relationship 
  with Jesus Christ.  The Gospel is a message of reconciliation, 
  liberation, grace, forgiveness, unbridled love and humility.  It is not a 
  means by which to insinuate oneself into the lives and consciences of 
  others.  And while community and fellowship are vital for the spiritual 
  health of the believer, the intimate relationship of a man or woman to his or 
  her Savior is the province of their Spirit-informed conscience, not a tool to 
  further the controlling, aggressive and manipulative agenda of anyone who sees 
  himself as the top rung of a hierarchy the Gospel intends to 
  dismantle.

If I were confronted with the message and behavior of the 
  leadership at Christ Church and didn't know Jesus Christ, I would run away as 
  fast as I could.  It's not a picture of a savior I'd want to have 
  anything to do with.  But I do know Jesus, and so I choose to stand 
  toe-to-toe in opposition to anyone who would pervert the Gospel and 
  misrepresent the One to whom I owe my very heart and soul.   I'm 
  grateful for Giselle's voice and pray it will reach those who've been hurt by 
  the tsunami of bigotry and pride that is Kirk 
  leadership.

keely






  
    
    Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:46:42 -0700
From: giselle.wilson.mccourt at gmail.com
To: 
    vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: 
    [Vision2020] A Caution


    Dear 
    Friends in Christ and Neighbors of Goodwill,
     
    This short 
    message is addressed to those of you from other area churches who attended 
    the Launch Service of Real Life Ministries last Sunday and to those that 
    might like to attend further services in order to see if Real Ministries 
    could become the church of your choice.
    There are 
    certain pastors in this area who look upon their congregations as their 
    personal property.  They covetously regard members of 
    their congregations as chattel to be used as they decree rather than as 
    souls to be lovingly guided into the arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and into 
    the way of righteousness, goodwill, and eternal salvation.
    These 
    unholy pastors often resort to dire and to unchristian measures to either 
    persuade or to force members to remain shackled in the ungodly, grasping 
    jaws of their spurious ministries.  Hence, I repeat the 
    following from my first message (also appended).  (If 
    you know any trapped and struggling Christians caught in such circumstances, 
    please, please help them by forwarding this message.
    

    The choice you make of the Christian church to attend is a matter 
    between you and God, only.  You do not need to ask or 
    receive anyone's permission to change Christian churches, nor do you owe 
    anyone notice or an explanation if you do.  It is a 
    decision between you and God alone.  If your pastor or 
    members of your church attempt to coerce or to wheedle you in any way to 
    remain in the grasp of their church – persistent pressure, guilt, promises, 
    visits, telephone calls, threats, spying, extortive tactics, feigned 
    sweetness, feigned concern for your soul, etc, – you are not in a church 
    which preaches the True Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and who sincerely 
    loves The Lord Jesus Christ.  If any of the above 
    unchristian tactics has been applied or is applied to you please let the 
    good folks at Real Life Ministries know:  askreallife at reallifeministries.com

    Reminder:  
    Great news!  The fastest growing church in 
    America, Real Life Ministries, is now in Latah County.
    http://www.reallifeministries.com/index.php
    http://moscowreallife.com/home.html
     Come, 
    join, and start to be united with the community and God through Our Lord 
    Jesus Christ.
    
Real 
    Life Services
    Sunday, 
    October, 7th 9:00 and 11:00 AM, 3148 Tomer Rd.
    Directions:
    From 
    Moscow:  Travel east on Highway 8.  Turn 
    right onto Carmichael Road.  Turn left onto Tomer 
    Road.  Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian 
    School.
    From 
    Troy:  Travel west on Highway 8.  Turn 
    left onto Lenville Road.  Turn right onto Tomer Road 
    .  Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian 
    School.
    
Your 
    neighbor and friend in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Giselle 
    McCourt
     
     
    This 
    message has neither been officially approved nor sent by the Boards of 
    Directors of Real Life Ministries, Inc., Real Life Ministries, Ltd., Real 
    Life Ministries, Cie. nor any member thereof.
     
     


************************************************************
Previous 
    Message


    
    Dear Neighbors and Friends 
    in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Please pass this message on 
    to anyone it might benefit.
     
     
    Regardless of the church 
    you now attend, for the sake of your own eternal salvation in Our 
    Lord Jesus Christ, please take some time to consider very carefully in your 
    heart of hearts the following questions. 

    Does your pastor unite the 
    community or does your pastor divide it? 

    Does your pastor respect 
    everyone equally or does your pastor have favorites amongst your 
    congregation? 

    Does your pastor disdain or 
    ignore the worth of any or many of God's children? 

    Does your pastor display way 
    too much self-love? 

    Is your pastor much too fond 
    of rich foods, fine wines, and other voluptuary pleasures? 

    Is your pastor ever 
    vindictive, spiteful, punitive, or dishonest especially towards those with 
    whom your pastor disagrees or those who have chosen in God's name to leave 
    the clutches of his ministry? 

    Would you trust your pastor 
    with your purse?  With your real estate agent?  
    With your wife? 

    Does your pastor hold wacko 
    ideas like the antebellum slaves were a happy lot and lived in wonderful 
    harmony with their masters? 

    At your pastor's rigid 
    insistence is your church music full of dark, chilling, mournful words and 
    music rather than raising a "Joyful noise unto the Lord" as commanded by the 
    bible?   Psalms 100 

    Has your pastor engineered the 
    purchase land for a new church that is not only too small for a church and 
    cemetery, but even too small for a moderately sized church?  
    Did your pastor pay about twice the market value for the 
    land?  Is that land now known as "------'s Folly?" 


    Does your pastor demand, 
    coerce, or wheedle so much tithe that it hurts your ability to give what 
    they need and they deserve to your family and community?  
    Have you been asked to sacrifice heavily and to tithe in God's name 
    so that your pastor can pursue his ambitious, mostly personal goals? 


    Does your pastor's money 
    management problems and love of his pet projects that serve him more than 
    God often lead to calls for further tithing and sacrifices?  
    Does your pastor try to con and to manipulate you by insinuating that 
    the amount of your tithe is directly proportional to your love of Our Lord 
    Jesus Christ, champion of the poor?  Matthew 19:16 - 30, 
    Matthew 25:31 - 46 

    Does your pastor pack the 
    various parts of his ministry's payroll with overpaid relatives and 
    kowtowing friends and their relatives, thus putting even more stress on 
    church finances and leading to further demands for tithes? 

    Does your pastor look at new 
    members more as a source of tithes and straw and mud with which to build his 
    empire, rather than as souls to guide into the loving arms of Our Lord Jesus 
    Christ? 

    Does your church have a hidden 
    missing funds problem?  If so, is it possible that some of those funds 
    have disappeared into off-shore accounts of which your pastor is the sole 
    signatory? 

    Does your pastor flout the 
    civil law?  Romans 13:1 – 7 

    Does your pastor ever direct 
    members of your church to perform illegal or sinful activities or to ignore 
    illegal or sinful activities done by church members? 

    Does your pastor ever practice 
    flagrant dishonesty in the name of The Lord or in claiming to do the work of 
    The Lord?  Is this something Jesus would do? 

    Are your pastor's theological 
    views so far out that were recently rejected by over 96% of a very large 
    body of his fellow Reformed Disciples that carefully examined them? 

    When vehemently defending his 
    version of The Word of God as the only "correct one," does your pastor 
    sometimes appear to be mentally disturbed? 

    Is your pastor more interested 
    in enriching himself and his family then your pastor is in exhibiting 
    himself as shining, living example of the Life and Teachings of Jesus 
    Christ, especially doing this by showing agape towards all, showing 
    humility, showing disdain for wealth and its trappings, and showing great 
    concern and charity for all the poor and unfortunate?  
    Matthew 19:16 - 30 

    Does your pastor have a double 
    standard when it comes to adultery?  When it comes to rape 
    and adultery in church schools? 

    Has your pastor encouraged 
    divorces when it would benefit him in a very personal way, or encouraged 
    divorces with unchristian vindictiveness to inflict great pain and sorrow 
    upon certain critics of his actions and claimed beliefs? 

    Does your pastor ever appear 
    to place himself on an equal footing or above God? 

    Does your pastor place himself 
    as a barrier between you and God?  Does your pastor blasphemously style 
    himself/herself as a necessary conduit between you and God?

    Does your pastor blame others 
    for his shortcomings? 

    After having made a serious 
    mistake in judgment does your pastor own up to it, or does your pastor 
    sometimes claim he/she has a secret plan and the congregation must "trust" 
    him/her that eventually all will be right? 

    Does your pastor keep 
    important church information secret from not only the congregation, but from 
    some of the elders and deacons too? 

    Does your pastor unchristianly 
    operate your church like a secret society in the community rather than like 
    the open arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ? 

    Has your pastor imported child 
    molesters into the community?  If so, is it possible that 
    your pastor knew something of their particular sinful proclivities 
    beforehand, but imported them anyway? 

    Has your pastor written a 
    letter supporting leniency for a convicted child molester, one who did 
    dreadful, despicable things to many different children, who attended one of 
    the ministry's schools, and one who defiled the children of the church 
    family with whom he boarded?   If so, was that letter 
    hypocritically contrary to your pastor's past preaching, and most important, 
    blasphemously contrary to the requirements of The Word of God? 

    Does your business or 
    relationships with your neighbors suffer because your pastor has – with his 
    outré views, unchristian actions, and harsh, in your face, unchristian 
    polemics – caused many of the community to shun your business or avoid 
    yourself and your family? 

    Does your pastor use divisive 
    tactics and polemics to persuade you from listening to the words of your 
    neighbors and dividing you from them? 

    Does the majority of your 
    community regard your pastor as a crook, clown, or perhaps even an 
    anti-Christ? 

    Does your pastor ever bring to 
    mind the following passage from Matthew 7:15 - 20?  
    

    15 Beware 
    of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are 
    ravenous wolves.
    16 You 
    will know them by their fruits.  Are grapes gathered from 
    thorns, or figs from thistles?
    17 In the 
    same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad 
    fruit.
    18 A good 
    tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
    19 Every 
    tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
                    
    20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
 
    Does your pastor make up 
    insulting, abusive names for those that question his bizarre views and 
    actions?  Does your pastor belittle his critics and 
    assassinate their characters or take other vindictive, punitive measures 
    rather than act like Our Loving Lord Jesus would?  Matthew 
    5:38 - 48 

    Does your pastor attempt to 
    coerce and to wheedle your continuing church membership rather than trust in 
    your faith in God and God-given conscience to guide you to make the right 
    choice of church to attend?*** 

     
    Does any answer to any of 
    the above questions about your pastor trouble you?  
    Does any answer trouble you especially considered in the light of the 
    Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and your God-given 
    conscience?  If so, then perhaps it is time for the sake 
    of your immortal soul to consider moving to a true church of Our Lord Jesus 
    Christ in God, and away from a church that will only lead you away from the 
    path of righteousness, goodwill, and eternal salvation.
     

    Great news!  
    The fastest growing church in America, Real Life Ministries, 
    is coming to Latah County.
    http://www.reallifeministries.com/index.php
    http://moscowreallife.com/home.html
     

    Come, join, and start to be 
    united with the community and God through Our Lord Jesus Christ.
    
Real Life Launch 
    Services
    Sunday, October, 7th 9:00 
    and 11:00 AM, 3148 Tomer Rd.
     
     Directions:
     From Moscow: 
     Travel east on Highway 8.  Turn right 
    onto Carmichael Road.  Turn left onto Tomer 
    Road.  Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian 
    School.
     From Troy:  
    Travel west on Highway 8.  Turn left onto Lenville 
    Road.  Turn right onto Tomer Road .  
    Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian School.
    
I hope to see you 
    there.
     
    Your neighbor and friend in 
    Our Lord Jesus Christ,
    Giselle 
    McCourt
     
     
    ***The choice you make of the 
    Christian church to attend is a matter between you and God, 
    only.  You do not need to ask or receive anyone's 
    permission to change Christian churches, nor do you owe anyone notice or an 
    explanation if you do.  It is a decision between you and 
    God alone.  If your pastor or members of your church 
    attempt to coerce or to wheedle you in any way to remain in the grasp of 
    their church – persistent pressure, guilt, promises, visits, telephone 
    calls, threats, spying, extortive tactics, feigned sweetness, feigned 
    concern for your soul, etc, – you are not in a church which preaches the 
    True Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and who sincerely loves The Lord 
    Jesus Christ.  If any of the above unchristian tactics has 
    been applied or is applied to you please let the good folks at Real Life 
    Ministries know:  askreallife at reallifeministries.com 
 
 
This message has neither been 
    officially approved nor sent by the Boards of Directors of Real Life 
    Ministries, Inc., Real Life Ministries, Ltd., Real Life Ministries, Cie. nor 
    any member thereof.


  
  

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