[Vision2020] A Caution
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Wed Oct 10 05:41:37 PDT 2007
As the saying goes, g-ster . . .
“Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean that they aren’t after you.”
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I must run over to Debi Robinson-Smith’s coven for
some bat wings and eye of noot. Halloween’s coming up, dontcha know?
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps."
-Emo Philips
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of g. crabtree
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:59 PM
To: Christ's Avengers; vision2020 at moscow.com
Cc: askreallife at reallifeministries.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] A Caution
Christ requires earthly avengers? And from Canada no less. Kind of makes me
wonder and NOT in the way that "Giselle" and the "avengers" would probably
prefer. I'd love to hear from a real representative of "the fastest growing
church in America" and have them explain the effectiveness of blowing into
town and having anonymous shills attempt to tear down their competitors
ministries. Is that how you've managed to grow at such a prodigious rate?
Or, as is far more likely to be the case, do we have some of the same old,
same old trying yet again to duplicitously further their little agenda. I'm
guessing the latter. Do you guys really think that coming up with endless
pseudonyms and fictitious organizations is fooling anyone? sadly, I guess
you must.
g
----- Original Message -----
From: Christ's Avengers <mailto:christs.avengers.bowness.alta at gmail.com>
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Cc: askreallife at reallifeministries.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: [Vision2020] A Caution
If Giselle McCourt and the brothers and sisters at Real Life Ministries are
really serious about rooting out ungodly pastors, priests, ministers, etc,
they need to start with the specious, unordained pastor of the horribly
misnamed Christ Church of Moscow, Idaho, to wit, Douglas Wilson.
Here are some links as starters that will give them some insight into this
driven, dishonest, power-hungry, self-loving, conniver who dares to mock
Jesus Christ by pretending to be His Messenger.
A thoroughly documented site by true Christians:
http://dougsplotch.com/
Another thoroughly documented site, although by a non-believer, which
never-the-less offers a wealth of information:
http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/
Of special interest on this site showing the ugly fruits of a ministry
hideously departed from the True Way of Jesus Christ:
http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/
<http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_0250Wight/>
http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR%5F2005%5F0250Wight/
An extremely revealing site from a Christ Church Apostate:
http://poohsthink.com/
Another well-documented website:
http://federal-vision.blogspot.com/
Other websites of interest:
http://cultists.blogspot.com/ <http://www.joshualetter.org/slavery/>
http://cleaning-house.org/
http://ministrywatchman.com/?p=47
http://www.joshualetter.org/slavery/
Not to be ignored:
The archives of Vision 2020 where insightful comment can be found:
http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=new
<http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=old>
http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=old
The letters of Keely Emerine-Mix, Rose Huskey, Saundra Lund, J Ford, Michael
Metzler, and other referents found in those letters clearly expose the
wayward Wilson.
Christ's Avengers
Bowness, Alberta, Canada
Some of our Watchwords from Jesus Christ, Matt 7:15 – 20:
15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but
inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are
grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 In the same way,
every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A
good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the
fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
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Amen!
Giselle's thoughts on this are much appreciated, and I sincerely hope they
touch the hearts of those who have been shattered by "pastors" who would
usurp the autonomy of the believer in her/his relationship with Jesus
Christ. The Gospel is a message of reconciliation, liberation, grace,
forgiveness, unbridled love and humility. It is not a means by which to
insinuate oneself into the lives and consciences of others. And while
community and fellowship are vital for the spiritual health of the believer,
the intimate relationship of a man or woman to his or her Savior is the
province of their Spirit-informed conscience, not a tool to further the
controlling, aggressive and manipulative agenda of anyone who sees himself
as the top rung of a hierarchy the Gospel intends to dismantle.
If I were confronted with the message and behavior of the leadership at
Christ Church and didn't know Jesus Christ, I would run away as fast as I
could. It's not a picture of a savior I'd want to have anything to do with.
But I do know Jesus, and so I choose to stand toe-to-toe in opposition to
anyone who would pervert the Gospel and misrepresent the One to whom I owe
my very heart and soul. I'm grateful for Giselle's voice and pray it will
reach those who've been hurt by the tsunami of bigotry and pride that is
Kirk leadership.
keely
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Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:46:42 -0700
From: giselle.wilson.mccourt at gmail.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] A Caution
Dear Friends in Christ and Neighbors of Goodwill,
This short message is addressed to those of you from other area churches who
attended the Launch Service of Real Life Ministries last Sunday and to those
that might like to attend further services in order to see if Real
Ministries could become the church of your choice.
There are certain pastors in this area who look upon their congregations as
their personal property. They covetously regard members of their
congregations as chattel to be used as they decree rather than as souls to
be lovingly guided into the arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and into the way
of righteousness, goodwill, and eternal salvation.
These unholy pastors often resort to dire and to unchristian measures to
either persuade or to force members to remain shackled in the ungodly,
grasping jaws of their spurious ministries. Hence, I repeat the following
from my first message (also appended). (If you know any trapped and
struggling Christians caught in such circumstances, please, please help them
by forwarding this message.
The choice you make of the Christian church to attend is a matter between
you and God, only. You do not need to ask or receive anyone's permission to
change Christian churches, nor do you owe anyone notice or an explanation if
you do. It is a decision between you and God alone. If your pastor or
members of your church attempt to coerce or to wheedle you in any way to
remain in the grasp of their church – persistent pressure, guilt, promises,
visits, telephone calls, threats, spying, extortive tactics, feigned
sweetness, feigned concern for your soul, etc, – you are not in a church
which preaches the True Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and who sincerely
loves The Lord Jesus Christ. If any of the above unchristian tactics has
been applied or is applied to you please let the good folks at Real Life
Ministries know: askreallife at reallifeministries.com
<mailto:askreallife at reallifeministries.com?subject=Ask%20Real%20Life>
Reminder: Great news! The fastest growing church in America, Real Life
Ministries, is now in Latah County.
http://www.reallifeministries.com/index.php
http://moscowreallife.com/home.html
Come, join, and start to be united with the community and God through Our
Lord Jesus Christ.
Real Life Services
Sunday, October, 7th 9:00 and 11:00 AM, 3148 Tomer Rd.
Directions:
>From Moscow: Travel east on Highway 8. Turn right onto Carmichael Road.
Turn left onto Tomer Road. Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian
School.
>From Troy: Travel west on Highway 8. Turn left onto Lenville Road. Turn
right onto Tomer Road . Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian
School.
Your neighbor and friend in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
Giselle McCourt
This message has neither been officially approved nor sent by the Boards of
Directors of Real Life Ministries, Inc., Real Life Ministries, Ltd., Real
Life Ministries, Cie. nor any member thereof.
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Previous Message
Dear Neighbors and Friends in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
Please pass this message on to anyone it might benefit.
Regardless of the church you now attend, for the sake of your own eternal
salvation in Our Lord Jesus Christ, please take some time to consider very
carefully in your heart of hearts the following questions.
Does your pastor unite the community or does your pastor divide it?
Does your pastor respect everyone equally or does your pastor have favorites
amongst your congregation?
Does your pastor disdain or ignore the worth of any or many of God's
children?
Does your pastor display way too much self-love?
Is your pastor much too fond of rich foods, fine wines, and other voluptuary
pleasures?
Is your pastor ever vindictive, spiteful, punitive, or dishonest especially
towards those with whom your pastor disagrees or those who have chosen in
God's name to leave the clutches of his ministry?
Would you trust your pastor with your purse? With your real estate agent?
With your wife?
Does your pastor hold wacko ideas like the antebellum slaves were a happy
lot and lived in wonderful harmony with their masters?
At your pastor's rigid insistence is your church music full of dark,
chilling, mournful words and music rather than raising a "Joyful noise unto
the Lord" as commanded by the bible? Psalms 100
Has your pastor engineered the purchase land for a new church that is not
only too small for a church and cemetery, but even too small for a
moderately sized church? Did your pastor pay about twice the market value
for the land? Is that land now known as "------'s Folly?"
Does your pastor demand, coerce, or wheedle so much tithe that it hurts your
ability to give what they need and they deserve to your family and
community? Have you been asked to sacrifice heavily and to tithe in God's
name so that your pastor can pursue his ambitious, mostly personal goals?
Does your pastor's money management problems and love of his pet projects
that serve him more than God often lead to calls for further tithing and
sacrifices? Does your pastor try to con and to manipulate you by
insinuating that the amount of your tithe is directly proportional to your
love of Our Lord Jesus Christ, champion of the poor? Matthew 19:16 - 30,
Matthew 25:31 - 46
Does your pastor pack the various parts of his ministry's payroll with
overpaid relatives and kowtowing friends and their relatives, thus putting
even more stress on church finances and leading to further demands for
tithes?
Does your pastor look at new members more as a source of tithes and straw
and mud with which to build his empire, rather than as souls to guide into
the loving arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ?
Does your church have a hidden missing funds problem? If so, is it possible
that some of those funds have disappeared into off-shore accounts of which
your pastor is the sole signatory?
Does your pastor flout the civil law? Romans 13:1 – 7
Does your pastor ever direct members of your church to perform illegal or
sinful activities or to ignore illegal or sinful activities done by church
members?
Does your pastor ever practice flagrant dishonesty in the name of The Lord
or in claiming to do the work of The Lord? Is this something Jesus would
do?
Are your pastor's theological views so far out that were recently rejected
by over 96% of a very large body of his fellow Reformed Disciples that
carefully examined them?
When vehemently defending his version of The Word of God as the only
"correct one," does your pastor sometimes appear to be mentally disturbed?
Is your pastor more interested in enriching himself and his family then your
pastor is in exhibiting himself as shining, living example of the Life and
Teachings of Jesus Christ, especially doing this by showing agape towards
all, showing humility, showing disdain for wealth and its trappings, and
showing great concern and charity for all the poor and unfortunate? Matthew
19:16 - 30
Does your pastor have a double standard when it comes to adultery? When it
comes to rape and adultery in church schools?
Has your pastor encouraged divorces when it would benefit him in a very
personal way, or encouraged divorces with unchristian vindictiveness to
inflict great pain and sorrow upon certain critics of his actions and
claimed beliefs?
Does your pastor ever appear to place himself on an equal footing or above
God?
Does your pastor place himself as a barrier between you and God? Does your
pastor blasphemously style himself/herself as a necessary conduit between
you and God?
Does your pastor blame others for his shortcomings?
After having made a serious mistake in judgment does your pastor own up to
it, or does your pastor sometimes claim he/she has a secret plan and the
congregation must "trust" him/her that eventually all will be right?
Does your pastor keep important church information secret from not only the
congregation, but from some of the elders and deacons too?
Does your pastor unchristianly operate your church like a secret society in
the community rather than like the open arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ?
Has your pastor imported child molesters into the community? If so, is it
possible that your pastor knew something of their particular sinful
proclivities beforehand, but imported them anyway?
Has your pastor written a letter supporting leniency for a convicted child
molester, one who did dreadful, despicable things to many different
children, who attended one of the ministry's schools, and one who defiled
the children of the church family with whom he boarded? If so, was that
letter hypocritically contrary to your pastor's past preaching, and most
important, blasphemously contrary to the requirements of The Word of God?
Does your business or relationships with your neighbors suffer because your
pastor has – with his outré views, unchristian actions, and harsh, in your
face, unchristian polemics – caused many of the community to shun your
business or avoid yourself and your family?
Does your pastor use divisive tactics and polemics to persuade you from
listening to the words of your neighbors and dividing you from them?
Does the majority of your community regard your pastor as a crook, clown, or
perhaps even an anti-Christ?
Does your pastor ever bring to mind the following passage from Matthew 7:15
- 20?
15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but
inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or
figs from thistles?
17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears
bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the
fire.
20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
Does your pastor make up insulting, abusive names for those that question
his bizarre views and actions? Does your pastor belittle his critics and
assassinate their characters or take other vindictive, punitive measures
rather than act like Our Loving Lord Jesus would? Matthew 5:38 - 48
Does your pastor attempt to coerce and to wheedle your continuing church
membership rather than trust in your faith in God and God-given conscience
to guide you to make the right choice of church to attend?***
Does any answer to any of the above questions about your pastor trouble you?
Does any answer trouble you especially considered in the light of the
Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and your God-given conscience? If so,
then perhaps it is time for the sake of your immortal soul to consider
moving to a true church of Our Lord Jesus Christ in God, and away from a
church that will only lead you away from the path of righteousness,
goodwill, and eternal salvation.
Great news! The fastest growing church in America, Real Life Ministries, is
coming to Latah County.
http://www.reallifeministries.com/index.php
http://moscowreallife.com/home.html
Come, join, and start to be united with the community and God through Our
Lord Jesus Christ.
Real Life Launch Services
Sunday, October, 7th 9:00 and 11:00 AM, 3148 Tomer Rd.
Directions:
From Moscow: Travel east on Highway 8. Turn right onto Carmichael Road.
Turn left onto Tomer Road. Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian
School.
From Troy: Travel west on Highway 8. Turn left onto Lenville Road. Turn
right onto Tomer Road . Continue until you reach Palouse Hills Christian
School.
I hope to see you there.
Your neighbor and friend in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
Giselle McCourt
***The choice you make of the Christian church to attend is a matter between
you and God, only. You do not need to ask or receive anyone's permission to
change Christian churches, nor do you owe anyone notice or an explanation if
you do. It is a decision between you and God alone. If your pastor or
members of your church attempt to coerce or to wheedle you in any way to
remain in the grasp of their church – persistent pressure, guilt, promises,
visits, telephone calls, threats, spying, extortive tactics, feigned
sweetness, feigned concern for your soul, etc, – you are not in a church
which preaches the True Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and who sincerely
loves The Lord Jesus Christ. If any of the above unchristian tactics has
been applied or is applied to you please let the good folks at Real Life
Ministries know: askreallife at reallifeministries.com
<mailto:askreallife at reallifeministries.com?subject=Ask%20Real%20Life>
This message has neither been officially approved nor sent by the Boards of
Directors of Real Life Ministries, Inc., Real Life Ministries, Ltd., Real
Life Ministries, Cie. nor any member thereof.
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