[Vision2020] A Caution

Tue Oct 9 13:04:45 PDT 2007

I feel compelled, since I'm listed as a resource below by "Christ's Avengers," to say that I have no idea who wrote this.  While I'm grateful to anyone who helps in exposing the errors of Christ Church leadership, and I stand completely behind the things I've written and said about them for the last 5 1/2 years, I'm not sure that labeling oneself as an "avenger" of Christ is the most productive way to go.  I've written before about the difficulties I have with anonymous posts -- I have never and will never fail to use my name in connection with what I say and do -- and yet I do understand the fear people who've left the church live in.  It's just that anonymity, however necessary it might be, greatly reduces the effectiveness and credibility of the message; a sensational approach such as "Christ's Avengers" further contributes to what some think is just a wild, hateful, un-Biblical vendetta against the Kirk.   

It's ironic, though, that the simple act of leaving a church -- not renouncing Christianity, not committing some habitual sin, not trashing people with unsupported claims and criticisms, but just choosing to worship elsewhere -- leads to such scrambling self-protection on the part of Kirk leadership and such sustained vitriol against former members.   I think it's a pretty safe bet that any organization you're afraid to leave is one you shouldn't join in the first place.  That an example here is a "Christian" church is alarming, and one has to just wonder what Christ Church is so upset about when people leave.  Another safe bet:  If your organization's practices are such that you fear losing members because they might expose the climate and conduct operating within, your problem isn't that people are leaving.  Your problem is that some have stayed, and if you're a church leader, their fear of moving on is added to a spiritual account that someday you'll have to answer for.  

keely

Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:42:24 -0700
From: christs.avengers.bowness.alta at gmail.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
CC: askreallife at reallifeministries.com
Subject: [Vision2020] A Caution

If Giselle
McCourt and the brothers and sisters at Real Life Ministries are really serious
about rooting out ungodly pastors, priests, ministers, etc, they need to start
with the specious, unordained pastor of the horribly misnamed Christ Church of
Moscow, Idaho, to wit, Douglas Wilson.

Here are
some links as starters that will give them some insight into this driven,
dishonest, power-hungry, self-loving, conniver who dares to mock Jesus Christ
by pretending to be His Messenger.

A
thoroughly documented site by true Christians:
http://dougsplotch.com/

Another
thoroughly documented site, although by a non-believer, which never-the-less
offers a wealth of information:
http://www.tomandrodna.com/notonthepalouse/

Of special
interest on this site showing the ugly fruits of a ministry hideously departed
from the True Way
of Jesus Christ:
http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027/
http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR%5F2005%5F0250Wight/

An
extremely revealing site from a Christ Church Apostate:
http://poohsthink.com/ 

Another
well-documented website:
http://federal-vision.blogspot.com/ 

Other
websites of interest:

http://cultists.blogspot.com/
http://cleaning-house.org/
http://ministrywatchman.com/?p=47
http://www.joshualetter.org/slavery/

Not to be
ignored: 

The
archives of Vision 2020 where insightful comment can be found:

http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=new
http://vision2020.moscow.com/passpage.asp?ArchiveType=old

The letters
of Keely Emerine-Mix, Rose Huskey, Saundra Lund, J Ford, Michael Metzler, and
other referents found in those letters clearly expose the wayward Wilson. 

Christ's
Avengers
Bowness, Alberta, Canada

Some of our
Watchwords from Jesus Christ, Matt 7:15 – 20:15 Beware
of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are
ravenous wolves.  16 You will know them
by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles?  17 In the same way, every good tree bears
good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good
fruit.  19 Every tree that does not bear
good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.  20 Thus you will know them by their fruits. 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Amen!

Giselle's thoughts on this are much appreciated, and I sincerely 
hope they touch the hearts of those who have been shattered by "pastors" who 
would usurp the autonomy of the believer in her/his relationship with Jesus 
Christ.  The Gospel is a message of reconciliation, liberation, grace, 
forgiveness, unbridled love and humility.  It is not a means by which to 
insinuate oneself into the lives and consciences of others.  And while community 
and fellowship are vital for the spiritual health of the believer, the intimate 
relationship of a man or woman to his or her Savior is the province of their 
Spirit-informed conscience, not a tool to further the controlling, aggressive 
and manipulative agenda of anyone who sees himself as the top rung of a 
hierarchy the Gospel intends to dismantle.

If I were confronted with the 
message and behavior of the leadership at Christ Church and didn't know Jesus 
Christ, I would run away as fast as I could.  It's not a picture of a savior I'd 
want to have anything to do with.  But I do know Jesus, and so I choose to stand 
toe-to-toe in opposition to anyone who would pervert the Gospel and misrepresent 
the One to whom I owe my very heart and soul.   I'm grateful for Giselle's voice 
and pray it will reach those who've been hurt by the tsunami of bigotry and 
pride that is Kirk leadership.

keely

Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:46:42 -0700
From: 
giselle.wilson.mccourt at gmail.com
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: 
[Vision2020] A Caution

Dear Friends 
in Christ and Neighbors of Goodwill,

This short 
message is addressed to those of you from other area churches who attended the 
Launch Service of Real Life Ministries last Sunday and to those that might like 
to attend further services in order to see if Real Ministries could become the 
church of your choice.
There are 
certain pastors in this area who look upon their congregations as their personal 
property.  They covetously regard members of their congregations as 
chattel to be used as they decree rather than as souls to be lovingly guided 
into the arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and into the way of righteousness, 
goodwill, and eternal salvation.
These unholy 
pastors often resort to dire and to unchristian measures to either persuade or 
to force members to remain shackled in the ungodly, grasping jaws of their 
spurious ministries.  Hence, I repeat the following from my first 
message (also appended).  (If you know any trapped and 
struggling Christians caught in such circumstances, please, please help them by 
forwarding this message.

The choice you make of the Christian church to attend is a matter between 
you and God, only.  You do not need to ask or receive anyone's 
permission to change Christian churches, nor do you owe anyone notice or an 
explanation if you do.  It is a decision between you and God 
alone.  If your pastor or members of your church attempt to coerce 
or to wheedle you in any way to remain in the grasp of their church – persistent 
pressure, guilt, promises, visits, telephone calls, threats, spying, extortive 
tactics, feigned sweetness, feigned concern for your soul, etc, – you are not in 
a church which preaches the True Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and who 
sincerely loves The Lord Jesus Christ.  If any of the above 
unchristian tactics has been applied or is applied to you please let the good 
folks at Real Life Ministries know:  askreallife at reallifeministries.com

Reminder:  
Great news!  The fastest growing church in America, 
Real Life Ministries, is now in Latah County.
http://www.reallifeministries.com/index.php
http://moscowreallife.com/home.html
 Come, join, 
and start to be united with the community and God through Our Lord Jesus 
Christ.

Real 
Life Services
Sunday, 
October, 7th 9:00 and 11:00 AM, 3148 Tomer Rd.
Directions:
From 
Moscow:  Travel east on Highway 8.  Turn right onto 
Carmichael Road.  Turn left onto Tomer Road.  Continue 
until you reach Palouse Hills Christian School.
From 
Troy:  Travel west on Highway 8.  Turn left onto 
Lenville Road.  Turn right onto Tomer Road .  Continue 
until you reach Palouse Hills Christian School.

Your 
neighbor and friend in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
Giselle 
McCourt

This 
message has neither been officially approved nor sent by the Boards of Directors 
of Real Life Ministries, Inc., Real Life Ministries, Ltd., Real Life Ministries, 
Cie. nor any member thereof.

************************************************************
Previous 
Message

Dear Neighbors and Friends in 
Our Lord Jesus Christ,
Please pass this message on to 
anyone it might benefit.

Regardless of the church you 
now attend, for the sake of your own eternal salvation in Our Lord Jesus 
Christ, please take some time to consider very carefully in your heart of hearts 
the following questions. 

Does your pastor unite the 
community or does your pastor divide it? 

Does your pastor respect everyone 
equally or does your pastor have favorites amongst your congregation? 

Does your pastor disdain or ignore 
the worth of any or many of God's children? 

Does your pastor display way too 
much self-love? 

Is your pastor much too fond of 
rich foods, fine wines, and other voluptuary pleasures? 

Is your pastor ever vindictive, 
spiteful, punitive, or dishonest especially towards those with whom your pastor 
disagrees or those who have chosen in God's name to leave the clutches of his 
ministry? 

Would you trust your pastor with 
your purse?  With your real estate agent?  With your 
wife? 

Does your pastor hold wacko ideas 
like the antebellum slaves were a happy lot and lived in wonderful harmony with 
their masters? 

At your pastor's rigid insistence 
is your church music full of dark, chilling, mournful words and music rather 
than raising a "Joyful noise unto the Lord" as commanded by the bible?  
 Psalms 100 

Has your pastor engineered the 
purchase land for a new church that is not only too small for a church and 
cemetery, but even too small for a moderately sized church?  Did 
your pastor pay about twice the market value for the land?  Is that 
land now known as "------'s Folly?" 

Does your pastor demand, coerce, 
or wheedle so much tithe that it hurts your ability to give what they need and 
they deserve to your family and community?  Have you been asked to 
sacrifice heavily and to tithe in God's name so that your pastor can pursue his 
ambitious, mostly personal goals? 

Does your pastor's money 
management problems and love of his pet projects that serve him more than God 
often lead to calls for further tithing and sacrifices?  Does your 
pastor try to con and to manipulate you by insinuating that the amount of your 
tithe is directly proportional to your love of Our Lord Jesus Christ, champion 
of the poor?  Matthew 19:16 - 30, Matthew 25:31 - 46 

Does your pastor pack the various 
parts of his ministry's payroll with overpaid relatives and kowtowing friends 
and their relatives, thus putting even more stress on church finances and 
leading to further demands for tithes? 

Does your pastor look at new 
members more as a source of tithes and straw and mud with which to build his 
empire, rather than as souls to guide into the loving arms of Our Lord Jesus 
Christ? 

Does your church have a hidden 
missing funds problem?  If so, is it possible that some of those funds have 
disappeared into off-shore accounts of which your pastor is the sole signatory? 

Does your pastor flout the civil 
law?  Romans 13:1 – 7 

Does your pastor ever direct 
members of your church to perform illegal or sinful activities or to ignore 
illegal or sinful activities done by church members? 

Does your pastor ever practice 
flagrant dishonesty in the name of The Lord or in claiming to do the work of The 
Lord?  Is this something Jesus would do? 

Are your pastor's theological 
views so far out that were recently rejected by over 96% of a very large body of 
his fellow Reformed Disciples that carefully examined them? 

When vehemently defending his 
version of The Word of God as the only "correct one," does your pastor sometimes 
appear to be mentally disturbed? 

Is your pastor more interested in 
enriching himself and his family then your pastor is in exhibiting himself as 
shining, living example of the Life and Teachings of Jesus Christ, especially 
doing this by showing agape towards all, showing humility, showing disdain for 
wealth and its trappings, and showing great concern and charity for all the poor 
and unfortunate?  Matthew 19:16 - 30 

Does your pastor have a double 
standard when it comes to adultery?  When it comes to rape and 
adultery in church schools? 

Has your pastor encouraged 
divorces when it would benefit him in a very personal way, or encouraged 
divorces with unchristian vindictiveness to inflict great pain and sorrow upon 
certain critics of his actions and claimed beliefs? 

Does your pastor ever appear to 
place himself on an equal footing or above God? 

Does your pastor place himself as 
a barrier between you and God?  Does your pastor blasphemously style 
himself/herself as a necessary conduit between you and God?

Does your pastor blame others for 
his shortcomings? 

After having made a serious 
mistake in judgment does your pastor own up to it, or does your pastor sometimes 
claim he/she has a secret plan and the congregation must "trust" him/her that 
eventually all will be right? 

Does your pastor keep important 
church information secret from not only the congregation, but from some of the 
elders and deacons too? 

Does your pastor unchristianly 
operate your church like a secret society in the community rather than like the 
open arms of Our Lord Jesus Christ? 

Has your pastor imported child 
molesters into the community?  If so, is it possible that your 
pastor knew something of their particular sinful proclivities beforehand, but 
imported them anyway? 

Has your pastor written a letter 
supporting leniency for a convicted child molester, one who did dreadful, 
despicable things to many different children, who attended one of the ministry's 
schools, and one who defiled the children of the church family with whom he 
boarded?   If so, was that letter hypocritically contrary to your 
pastor's past preaching, and most important, blasphemously contrary to the 
requirements of The Word of God? 

Does your business or 
relationships with your neighbors suffer because your pastor has – with his 
outré views, unchristian actions, and harsh, in your face, unchristian polemics 
– caused many of the community to shun your business or avoid yourself and your 
family? 

Does your pastor use divisive 
tactics and polemics to persuade you from listening to the words of your 
neighbors and dividing you from them? 

Does the majority of your 
community regard your pastor as a crook, clown, or perhaps even an anti-Christ? 

Does your pastor ever bring to 
mind the following passage from Matthew 7:15 - 20?  

15 Beware of 
false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous 
wolves.
16 You will 
know them by their fruits.  Are grapes gathered from thorns, or 
figs from thistles?
17 In the same 
way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree 
cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
19 Every tree 
that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
                20 Thus you will 
know them by their fruits.

Does your pastor make up 
insulting, abusive names for those that question his bizarre views and 
actions?  Does your pastor belittle his critics and assassinate 
their characters or take other vindictive, punitive measures rather than act 
like Our Loving Lord Jesus would?  Matthew 5:38 - 48 

Does your pastor attempt to coerce 
and to wheedle your continuing church membership rather than trust in your faith 
in God and God-given conscience to guide you to make the right choice of church 
to attend?*** 

Does any answer to any of the 
above questions about your pastor trouble you?  Does any answer 
trouble you especially considered in the light of the Teachings of The Lord 
Jesus Christ and your God-given conscience?  If so, then perhaps it 
is time for the sake of your immortal soul to consider moving to a true church 
of Our Lord Jesus Christ in God, and away from a church that will only lead you 
away from the path of righteousness, goodwill, and eternal salvation.

Great news!  
The fastest growing church in America, Real Life Ministries, is 
coming to Latah County.
http://www.reallifeministries.com/index.php
http://moscowreallife.com/home.html

Come, join, and start to be united 
with the community and God through Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Real Life Launch 
Services
Sunday, October, 7th 9:00 and 
11:00 AM, 3148 Tomer Rd.

 Directions:
 From Moscow:  Travel 
east on Highway 8.  Turn right onto Carmichael Road.  
Turn left onto Tomer Road.  Continue until you reach Palouse 
Hills Christian School.
 From Troy:  Travel 
west on Highway 8.  Turn left onto Lenville Road.  
Turn right onto Tomer Road .  Continue until you reach 
Palouse Hills Christian School.

I hope to see you there.

Your neighbor and friend in Our 
Lord Jesus Christ,
Giselle 
McCourt

***The choice you make of the 
Christian church to attend is a matter between you and God, only.  
You do not need to ask or receive anyone's permission to change Christian 
churches, nor do you owe anyone notice or an explanation if you do.  
It is a decision between you and God alone.  If your pastor 
or members of your church attempt to coerce or to wheedle you in any way to 
remain in the grasp of their church – persistent pressure, guilt, promises, 
visits, telephone calls, threats, spying, extortive tactics, feigned sweetness, 
feigned concern for your soul, etc, – you are not in a church which preaches the 
True Teachings of The Lord Jesus Christ and who sincerely loves The Lord Jesus 
Christ.  If any of the above unchristian tactics has been applied 
or is applied to you please let the good folks at Real Life Ministries 
know:  askreallife at reallifeministries.com 

This message has neither been 
officially approved nor sent by the Boards of Directors of Real Life Ministries, 
Inc., Real Life Ministries, Ltd., Real Life Ministries, Cie. nor any member 
thereof.

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