[Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: 1 in 4 Homeless is a Veteran
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Sat Nov 10 11:04:34 PST 2007
I think to a POINT, Pat MAY have a point about those who don't "want to receive help."
I think we need to take into consideration those people who "CAN'T" receive help due to family upbringing and social stigma attached to said help. I know if anyone in my family receives help of any kind (short of medical) they are on the receiving end of "Why can't you do it yourself?" or "Why are you such a weak person? Just get up and do it yourself." etc. It happens.
I think those are the people we need to really be considerate of - they have a LOT to over-come besides what's put them in that kind of situation in the first place.
Just my two-cents.
J :]
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 08:09:10 -0800
From: janesta at gmail.com
To: godshatter at yahoo.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] [Bulk] Re: 1 in 4 Homeless is a Veteran
Thank you, Tom, for your heartfelt apology. It means a lot. The note sent to you, was supposed to be off-line, and I am sorry it was public. Obviously, I am passionate about this subject. It hasn't been but 4 months ago, or so, that my loved one who was homeless died. He would have died on the street, had not some kind soul called an ambulance, which took him to the hospital, where he died soon after. And yes, he lived like the dog you referred to. Pat Kraut is correct, some people don't want to be helped, or live within the constraints of society's rules. No matter what we did, or how hard we tried, nothing worked.... Maybe sometime, when the crevasse in my heart is not so deep, I will tell the story about the father of my children.
Thank you for all that you do, DO!
Janesta
On 11/8/07, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com
> wrote:
I appreciate all that the various charities do for all of us, and
strongly encourage those who can to give to them regularly. I do so myself.
However, I reserve the right to choose when, where, and to whom I give
my money. If I walk by someone ringing a bell or asking for a donation,
I don't feel compelled to comply. I don't feel that I should be treated
as an outcast for this, nor do I feel that berating others for not
giving every time to every single charity is a good idea.
Besides, giving money to charities is really treating the symptoms, and
not the causes. As you stated, the disregard by the Bush Administration
and Congress is behind this particular issue. Not to mention past
administrations as well (even if I want to, I can't lay every problem in
the world directly and W's feet).
I try to give to organizations that are working to change the political
problems, when I find them. I also tend to give to charities that are
putting money into trying to cure a medical condition. But that's just
my particular choice.
I understand feeling upset when someone ignores a person taking
donations and you care greatly about that specific cause, but trying to
guilt them into giving is just not the answer for a multitude of
reasons. Be thankful for what people do give.
Paul
Sue Hovey wrote:
> Janesta, I read that post and believe I fit the description of one of
> those who works for the homeless and neglected, and I wasn't offended
> by what Tom wrote. He's right, you know. So many just walk on by,
> and the absolute disregard by the Bush administration and Congress is
> appalling and heartbreaking. We let war use men and women as fodder
> then toss them aside with little regard for their wounds, both visible
> and not so visible.
>
> Thanks for what you do for fellow human beings. Some of the best work
> people do goes unseen by the rest of us. Tom is a man of
> conscience who has an acerbic bite. That isn't a bad thing, you
> know. (An inappropriate place for that voice is when it is unearned or
> used on the defenseless--on school kids by teachers, for example.)
> You actually have the wonderful gift yourself. So please, let it go.
> I don't believe his posting was deserving of your rebuke and the
> article that he provided was important, and an indictment against
> those who foster such neglect.
>
> Sue Hovey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Janesta <mailto:janesta at gmail.com>
> *To:* Tom Hansen <mailto:
thansen at moscow.com>
> *Cc:* Moscow Vision 2020 <mailto:
vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:51 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] 1 in 4 Homeless is a Veteran
>
> Tom,
>
> I take GREAT offense to your comment prior to the story you posted.
>
> Do you have any idea what I do for people that are homeless? Do
> you have any idea what the other fine people on this list, and
> in our community do? No, you don't, or you would not have posted
> such an outright ignornant comment.
>
> You want people to give, and have compassion? You might try
> listing a local, Spokane, or Coeur d' Alene group that is helping
> these brave, bruised, and broken men and women. Tell us what YOU
> are doing. When are you making a trip to where the vets are with
> food, blankets and warm clothing for the winter? Let me know, I'll
> be one of the first to donate.
>
> Having a member of the family who is mentally ill and homeless is
> one of the most heart-breaking events that can happen to a family.
> Sadly, I know this from first hand knowledge.
>
> Janesta
>
> On 11/8/07, *Tom Hansen* <
thansen at moscow.com
> <mailto:thansen at moscow.com>> wrote:
>
> Here is another topic for you to consider after you have
> ignoringly walked
> by the donation cup on Veterans' day with less concern than
> throwing your
> dog a bone.
>
> >From today's (November 8, 2007)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> 1 in 4 homeless is a veteran, study says
>
> 1,500 are from ongoing wars
>
> Kimberly Hefling
> Associated Press
> November 8, 2007
>
> WASHINGTON - Veterans make up one in four homeless people in
> the United
> States, though they are only 11 percent of the general adult
> population,
> according to a report to be released today.
>
> And homelessness is not just a problem among middle-age and
> elderly
> veterans. Younger veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan are
> trickling into
> shelters and soup kitchens seeking services, treatment or help
> with finding
> a job.
>
> The Veterans Affairs Department has identified 1,500 homeless
> veterans from
> the current wars and says 400 of them have participated in its
> programs
> specifically targeting homelessness.
>
> The National Alliance to End Homelessness, a public education
> nonprofit,
> based the findings of its report on numbers from Veterans
> Affairs and the
> Census Bureau. 2005 data estimated that 194,254 homeless
> people out of
> 744,313 on any given night were veterans.
>
> In comparison, the VA says that 20 years ago, the estimated
> number of
> veterans who were homeless on any given night was 250,000.
>
> Some advocates say such an early presence of veterans from
> Iraq and
> Afghanistan at shelters does not bode well for the future. It
> took roughly a
> decade for the lives of Vietnam veterans to unravel to the
> point that they
> started showing up among the homeless. Advocates worry that
> intense and
> repeated deployments leave newer veterans particularly vulnerable.
>
> "We're going to be having a tsunami of them eventually because
> the mental
> health toll from this war is enormous," said Daniel Tooth,
> director of
> veterans affairs for Lancaster County, Pa.
>
> While services to homeless veterans have improved in the past
> 20 years,
> advocates hope more will be done to prevent homelessness and
> provide
> affordable housing to the younger veterans while there's a
> window of
> opportunity.
>
> "When the Vietnam War ended, that was part of the problem. The
> war was over,
> it was off TV, nobody wanted to hear about it," said John
> Keaveney, a
> Vietnam veteran and a founder of New Directions in Los
> Angeles, which
> provides substance abuse help, job training and shelter to
> veterans.
>
> "I think they'll be forgotten," Keaveney said of Iraq and
> Afghanistan
> veterans. "People get tired of it. It's not glitzy that these
> are young,
> honorable, patriotic Americans. They'll just be veterans, and
> that happens
> after every war."
>
> Keaveney said it's difficult for his group to persuade some
> homeless Iraq
> veterans to stay for treatment and help because they don't
> relate to the
> older veterans. Those who stayed have had success - one is now
> a stockbroker
> and another is applying to be a police officer, he said.
>
> The Iraq vets seeking help with homelessness are more likely
> to be women,
> less likely to have substance abuse problems, but more likely
> to have mental
> illness - mostly related to post-traumatic stress, said Pete
> Dougherty,
> director of homeless veterans programs at the VA.
>
> Overall, 45 percent of participants in the VA's homeless
> programs have a
> diagnosable mental illness and more than three out of four
> have a substance
> abuse problem, while 35 percent have both, Dougherty said.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "I was a soldier.
> I am a soldier.
> I will always be a soldier."
>
> - Army Veteran Slogan
>
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