[Vision2020] Prediction/pin drop

[Joe Campbell]

Paul,

I don't determine people's religious beliefs before I shop. Give this up. I’m a 
Christian, too, just like the Kirkers.

I happen to know of some businesses downtown that are owned by Kirkers 
and I do not frequent them. Personally, I rarely tell others about this -- I feel 
forced to do so here, in an effort to try to explain what a proponent of the 
flyer might be thinking. Think of me as Crabtree, justifying the 'Bigot' sign 
downtown. (It is more than this but let's not go there.)

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that you would continue to 
frequent a business, "based on what they sell," even after they stopped 
serving you. Were I your friend, I should also keep frequenting them, "based 
on what they sell," even if they refuse to serve you.

Well, I can't do this. My sister was a lesbian and I'm not frequenting any 
businesses that wouldn’t serve her.

Look, I can wrap my head around being a nice guy -- I was selected 
"friendliest" my senior year in high school. I want to understand the Kirkers, 
accept them for what they are. But if they won't serve my sister, I won't give 
them my business.

This is not 'tit-for-tat.' It is respecting my sister as a person, someone who 
when she comes into your shop is deserving of service. If a business cannot 
wrap their heads around this idea, they won't get my money.

Best, Joe

---- Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote: 

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Had I been actively posting at that time, I would have called the owners 
of the shop on that one.

I wouldn't say I'm naive so much as disinterested.  I don't try to find 
out who each business is affiliated with, spiritually speaking.  I just 
choose to shop there or not based on what they sell, what their service 
is like, and what their pricing structure is.

I'm not a big fan of "tit for tat".

Paul

Joe Campbell wrote:
> Paul wrote: "Of course people are free to target a religious group with their 
> boycott merely because they disagree with them. And I'm free to stand up 
> and tell them how bigoted they are being."
>
> It is worth noting that SOME people have stopped going to Kirk owned stores
> ever since they discovered that one of them refused service to a lesbian 
> couple. This was soon followed by a quotation in the Daily News from their 
> Pastor that such actions were within the rights of the owners. Which, of 
> course, they are. So are making up flyers and staging a boycott. 
>
> This seems more like a reaction to bigotry than an instance of it. To suggest 
> that folks don't shop Kirk shops merely because they disagree with their 
> beliefs is at best naive.
>
> Note I'm not defending the flyer, I'm just trying to help you get a grip on why
> some folks have been led to such actions.
>
> Best, Joe
>
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