[Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions
Saundra Lund
sslund at roadrunner.com
Thu Nov 1 20:27:49 PDT 2007
Sorry -- I forgot to include the attribution for Dave Glasebrook's claim of
Doug Wilson's and Christ Church's 20 years persecution here in Moscow.
Lewiston Tribune: Moscow city politics take a turn for the personal by Dave
Johnson; Tuesday, October 30, 2007
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
~ Edmund Burke
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Saundra Lund
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:03 PM
To: 'Moscow Vision 2020'
Cc: wmsteed at aol.com; wdkrauss at clearwire.net
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions
In defense of Christ Church member Dave Glasebrook's bigoted behavior,
apologist Gary Crabtree writes:
Whether you agree or not there is no question but what Mr. Glasebrook truly
believes that the candidates in question are bigoted toward his church.
However, that's not what intolerant Glasebrook himself said:
"My big problem is that here in Moscow there's been 20 years' worth of
strife with Doug Wilson and Christ Church."
Twenty years?!?! That's right, folks, Christ Church has been persecuted for
twenty years right here in Moscow! I'll bet y'all were just as surprised to
read his allegation as I was. Of course, it's kind of difficult to imagine
that kind of persecution has been present for 20 years since most folks
weren't even aware of Doug Wilson and Christ Church 20 years ago. But,
because Glasebrook says it, it must be true, right? BTW, can anyone remind
us of exactly has served on the City Council in the last 20 years? They
might want to know they were part of some grand conspiracy against Doug
Wilson and Christ Church before Christ Church even existed.
IOW, just because Glasebrook and his birds of a feather are paranoid doesn't
mean anyone or any group is out to get them. Rather, they are in a tizzy
because community members and non-Kirk businesses are now - finally -
starting to demand that the Kirk and their "businesses" follow the same
rules and laws the rest of us follow.
I'm sure it sucks for them to lose their special status . . . welcome to the
real world.
As for the candidates, I strongly urge folks to carefully and critically
evaluate their comments in response to Dale Courtney's "Issues & Answers for
People of Faith." There were some real eye-openers and further
disappointments for me. I was shocked by the ignorance of the issues some
candidates showed, and I was dismayed that some of them think further
erosion of our Central Business District would be a good thing, which is
indicated by their comments L
Cheers,
Saundra Lund
Moscow, ID
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
nothing.
~ Edmund Burke
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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of g. crabtree
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 6:45 PM
To: Sue Hovey; Donovan Arnold; Tom Ivie; Moscow Vision 2020; Dan Carscallen;
wdkrauss at clearwire.net; wmsteed at aol.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions
Ms. Hovey,
Regarding Dan Carscallen's comment regarding Mr. Glasebrooks sign. Wouldn't
an outright condemnation be little different than taking the man to task for
exercising his right to express his opinion in public? Whether you agree or
not there is no question but what Mr. Glasebrook truly believes that the
candidates in question are bigoted toward his church. I would think that
reasonable people could disagree without having to demand they condemn him.
I don't remember any call for condemnation for letter writer's who went to
the fanatical extreme of expressing the opinion that Dr. Weitz hates kids.
But I suppose that was a different, more intimate ox being gored in that
instance.
One thing I do know is that in a medical emergency I would be incredibly
pleased to see Dan's face as he dropped everything to do his absolute level
best to keep me among the living as, I suspect, would you. If we're willing
to trust him that far how much more of a stretch is it to trust him with a
council seat? I believe that he'll look for the compromise that would make
both of us equally mad as well as evenly pleased and devote the same
competence to deciding matters of city business that he does to his other
vital activities. Please give him your consideration.
g
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From: Sue Hovey <mailto:suehovey at moscow.com>
To: Donovan <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> Arnold ; Tom
<mailto:the_ivies3 at yahoo.com> Ivie ; Moscow <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
Vision 2020 ; Dan <mailto:areaman at moscow.com> Carscallen ;
wdkrauss at clearwire.net ; wmsteed at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions
Exactly. But the source of that money is also a strong indicator of the
values held by their supporters. And that's why taking money from John
Ficca is a clear indication of the regard one has for the rights of
employees. They might not have known about his past when they accepted it,
but they know now and whether they keep it or return it is key to their own
values. If they decide to return it, then they need to make a public
statement to that effect. Otherwise, how would we know in time to vote for
them?
An important issue, to me, is the request by the police to form a union.
They were denied that opportunity last year. I want to elect candidates who
will not deny that request again. Those who would overlook John Ficca's
behavior might well be disinclined to allow the police effort, as well.
As I have been involved in the debates among the candidates, I really have
come to feel that electing all the council members from either MCA or GMA
might not serve us as well as electing candidates from both groups. At this
time, I am convinced to vote for Aaron Ament. I am still trying to
determine where my other votes will go. I had intended to make support for
the school levy re-run a determining variable, but I am convinced all the
candidates support that effort. Evan Holmes, Dan Carscallen, and Aaron
Ament have not only voiced their support, they have written articulately of
that support. Wayne Krauss also has a long history of supporting Moscow
Public Schools.
The word of the candidates in response to the Christ Church representative,
Dave Glasebrook, and the malicious sign he carried, are also significant. I
was particularly bothered by the statement from Dan Carscallen, "I don't
condone it, but I guess I don't condemn it, either." And pray, why not? It
would seem to me that any posturing from a person filled with all that
invective would compel one to condemn it. And coming on the heels of Shelly
Bennett's letter which carried the same message, I think one can expect
antics such as these to continue.
One thing, though, through all of this the candidates have comported
themselves with the level of civility one has a right to expect of people
running for public office. They have all done well by us. I am sure that
by election day, I will cast my vote with confidence in those who receive
it.
I would have sent this letter to the Daily News and Lewiston Tribune, but my
allocation of letters to the editor was already expended through my effort
to support the levy re-run.
Sue Hovey
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From: Donovan Arnold <mailto:donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com>
To: Tom Ivie <mailto:the_ivies3 at yahoo.com> ; Moscow Vision
<mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com> 2020
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The BLog and More Political Contributions
Tom I.,
I don't think money wins an election. But it is the strongest indicator of
what kind of support a candidate has in the community.
Best,
Donovan
Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Nothing is ever certain in horse races or politics. All the money in the
world doesn't win an election. It does help though. Send your checks to...
Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2005 at yahoo.com> wrote:
I cannot wait to see who wins the third seat for the four year term. I
really think it looks like Tom Lamar, Wayne Krauss, and Dan Carscallen are
going to be fighting for the last two seats. I think Aaron Ament with a big
load a cash, incumbency, and being liberal in a liberal town is definitely
going to place in the top three. I am also certain that Walter Steed will
win.
Best,
Donovan
Tom Ivie <the_ivies3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
One person contributed $4,000 to a city election? What are we, Boise or
Seattle? or is that what they want us to be? What does one person have to
gain by providing so much money in a little race? like ours? Nothing
against the candidates though, good for them to have a big spending
benefactor.
Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>From Dale Courtney's blog at:
http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2007/10/31/55739.aspx
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"Hey, Big Spender
I have a copy of all of the City Council Candidates' Campaign Financial
Disclosure Reports.
I'll post them shortly.
Of interest is how much money the candidates have received.
Aaron Ament: $9,475
Tom Lamar: $8,817
Walter Steed: $6,936
Wayne Krauss: $6,135
Dan Carscallen: $4,545
Linda Pall: $3,910
Evan Holmes: $1,992
Bill London accuses the GMA candidates of being the "big spending" group.
Seems like most of the money is being funneled to the liberal candidates.
If money is any indication, the libs have their bets set on Ament.
Heaven help us."
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Although it is important to learn how much money has been contributed to
each candidate, it is vitally more important to learn from where that money
was contributed.
Your attention is invited to the Financial Disclosure reports located at:
http://www.MoscowElection2007.com
A review of the Financial Disclosure Reports submitted by Dan Carscallen,
Walter Steed, Wayne Krauss, and the Greater Moscow Alliance Political Action
Committee reflects contributions in the amount of $1,000 to each of the
aforementioned by Palouse Rental and Construction.
Who is Palouse Rental and Construction you ask?
As mentioned earlier by Mark Solomon in an earlier posting at:
http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2007-October/049113.html
"As I'm always interested in who is contributing big $$ in elections, I
looked it up and saw Palouse Rentals and Construction had donated $1000 to
GMA. Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but I did not know that name. A quick
search on the Sec'y of State website gives up John Ficca as the president of
the corporation, which, by the way, has been administratively dissolved by
the Sec'y of State for failure to file annual reports since 2004."
It appears that this defunct company is/was headed by John Ficca, who back
in 2000 . . .
http://www.lni.wa.gov/news/2000/pr000214a.asp
"TUMWATER - An Idaho employer must pay more than $95,000 in unpaid wages to
12 current and former employees in the Spokane area according to a
settlement agreement announced today by the Department of Labor and
Industries.
John Ficca, of Moscow, Idaho, owner of Art's Electric, Inc., also has been
permanently prohibited from bidding on or performing work on future public
works projects in Washington. Ficca also does business as Palouse Country
Electric and U Cities Contracting."
It appears that perhaps the state of Idaho may be interested in the business
posture of "Palouse Rental and Construction" as it makes political
contributions to a select few (Steed, Krauss, and Carscallen) of Moscow's
city council candidates.
One can only wonder how Moscow will be divvied up . . . er . . . uh . . . I
mean rezoned come January if Palouse Rental and Construction should gain
three seats on our city council.
Things that make you go . . .
Hmmm.
Seeya round town, Moscow.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
"We're a town of about 23,000 with 10,000 college students. The college
students are not very active in local elections (thank goodness!)."
- Dale Courtney (March 28, 2007)
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