[Vision2020] what he was shooting

J Ford privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Tue May 22 11:07:33 PDT 2007

NO!  I demand that this community stop hiding its collective head in the 
sand and start facing its problems...which are HUGE!!!

If we let time go by, this, like all other issues this town has, will just 
hit the back burner and there goes any kind of reasonable and viable 
discussion and/or possible resolution(s).

Thompson, among others, has GOT TO GO!!! He is not doing his job, he is 
constantly letting criminals out that should not be allowed to be out, he is 
not following up on his "restrictions" that he places on them and now we 
have three dead people WHO DID NOTHING TO DESERVE this kind of action(s) 
against them not to mention this town did nothing to warrant this kind of 

So, sorry, but NO I WILL NOT STOP THIS DISCUSSION!!  We need to have it and 
we need to start seeking and implementing real changes in this town.  It is 
obvious there is a real problem and it will only get worse the longer we all 
pretend it does not exist.

J  :]

>From: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] what he was shooting
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:45:19 -0700
>It's a balance between freedom and control.
>And, as others have said, we can discuss our favorite topics after we've 
>had some time to come to terms with this.
>J Ford wrote:
>>Is anyone going to speak up for the many, many victims of not only this 
>>man but the others that people such as he who get slaps on the wrist for 
>>crimes that should be receiving life or at the very least, long, long 
>>sentences?  If the DA/City Attorney in this community would do their 
>>freaking jobs, this guy would not have been out and or able to purchase 
>>guns much less able to dent this community like he has.
>>How long are we going to take this type of sloppy prosecution in this 
>>community?  How many others are going to have to be killed or harmed 
>>because Randy and Thompson and others like them refuse to do their jobs?  
>>How many other criminals are going to be given passes by Randy and 
>>Thompson before we say "ENOUGH! already?  How many other cops are going to 
>>have to die before those who are responsible for your (YES! YOUR) 
>>protection are called to the carpet for not doing what is in OUR best 
>>Sitler is a ticking time bomb....we have just seen what happens when that 
>>state is allowed to go unchecked and unhindered.
>>J  :]
>>>From: "Matt Decker" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>
>>>To: kjajmix1 at msn.com, theceo at optonline.net, areaman at moscow.com,        
>>>vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] what he was shooting
>>>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:53:38 -0700
>>>All on the vizz,
>>>It has been pointed out, that myself and others should not have this 
>>>discussion at the time being. That this is a time of mourning. I too feel 
>>>sorrow for those closely affected, and couldn't give my condolences 
>>>enough. This is a sorry time for Moscow, a time we can hopefully all come 
>>>together. Its times like these that I feel proud to be a moscow native, 
>>>when we all come together. Along with 9/11 when the country united.
>>>If people feel our topic was uncalled for I am truly apologetic.
>>>>From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>>>To: Frank <theceo at optonline.net>, Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com>,   
>>>>      <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] what he was shooting
>>>>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:22:05 -0700
>>>>I truly wish a discussion like this would not take place now.  We've had 
>>>>four people die from gunshot wounds over the weekend, including a friend 
>>>>of my husband's,  and another is in serious condition.  To invite us to 
>>>>picture the damage a bullet can do to a person is unnecessary, because 
>>>>if we weren't aware before, we surely are now.  More important than the 
>>>>velocity, caliber, and physics of a bullet fired from a weapon is the 
>>>>fact that one just killed a cop, our neighbor, who gave his life to 
>>>>protect us.  Another silenced a woman who had suffered before from the 
>>>>hands of her husband, another took away from us a dear, sweet man, and, 
>>>>finally here, one ended the horror of a life none of us will ever 
>>>>understand.  There will always be much to discuss when it comes to guns 
>>>>and people, but for right now, couldn't we focus on never, ever, 
>>>>forgetting a time when the equation visited us in Moscow and changed 
>>>>forever the relative innocence and calm of our community, taking with it 
>>>>four of our neighbors and injuring two more?  We have families in 
>>>>mourning, a church shattered by loss, kids trying to understand, and a 
>>>>community in shock.  Blood was shed and two lives were ended at the 
>>>>church my family and I attend.  I don't care about the caliber and power 
>>>>of the bullet; I care about appreciating the caliber of men and women we 
>>>>have in uniform and witnessing the power of something much, much greater 
>>>>than hot metal ripping through a chamber.keely> From: 
>>>>theceo at optonline.net> To: areaman at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com> 
>>>>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:11:06 -0400> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] shooter 
>>>>identity . . . And what he was shooting> > As an expert I can speak to 
>>>>this and you're still wrong. The Russian version> AK-47 is most likely 
>>>>the best weapon in the world today. The US Army gave up> the M1 Grande 
>>>>which used the 308 round to go to the M14 in about 1962 which> used the 
>>>>7.62x39 round. The difference is the 7.62x39 is a high velocity> round. 
>>>>If you shoot a 308 round through a 55 gal barrel of water it just> 
>>>>punches through to the other side. Then if you take a 7.62x39 round and> 
>>>>shoot it at the barrel and it explodes. The speed is so fast that 
>>>>hydraulics> come into play. You can't compress water so the force blows 
>>>>up the barrel> before it can exit the other side. Now think what that 
>>>>does to a person who> is 90 percent water?  The round does a lot of 
>>>>damage before it exits the> body.  That is still the round our army uses 
>>>>today. Now which one do you> think has the power and inflicts the most 
>>>>damage?  In Nam the Russian AK 47> used a 6.2x54 round. If the communist 
>>>>fighter ran out of ammunition he could> find a dead GI and take his 
>>>>ammunition and use it in his rifle because the> x39 was smaller than the 
>>>>x54 and would chamber. However it would not work> the other way because 
>>>>the x54 was too big to chamber in a M16. If you are> really this 
>>>>interested in guns you should go see your army recruiter he can> sign 
>>>>you up for a fore year course.> > THECEO> > -----Original Message-----> 
>>>>From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>>>>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On> Behalf Of Dan Carscallen> 
>>>>Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 3:12 PM> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: 
>>>>Re: [Vision2020] shooter identity . . . And what he was shooting> > 
>>>>Vizzz peeps,> > After watching the press conference, some of the events 
>>>>of Saturday> night/Sunday morning have become more clear.> > With the 
>>>>initial reports of the shooter using an SKS in the incident, I> was a 
>>>>little confused and concerned as to how it was done, as the> 7.62x39mm 
>>>>cartridge used in that rifle did not seem powerful enough to> have done 
>>>>some of the damage that was said to be inflicted.  Now, after> hearing 
>>>>that the shooter also had an M1A, which is a .308 caliber (a> popular 
>>>>hunting caliber), I can understand a little better since this is> a 
>>>>significantly more powerful round than the 7.62X39 by almost 1/3.> This 
>>>>would also explain a bit more the difference in sound between the> shots 
>>>>fired earlier and those fired later.> > Of course, neither of these 
>>>>calibers could be stopped by a "bulletproof"> vest.> > I'm sure Tom 
>>>>Hansen can speak to this, as he's probably had some> experience with the 
>>>>M14 (the military version of the M1A) and maybe even> some time with an 
>>>>AK47 during his time in Germany.> > DC> > > 
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