[Vision2020] what he was shooting

[J Ford]

I disagree with this not being the time for this discussion.

The problem is Moscow is NEVER ready for this type of discussion.  EVER!  We 
are too busy ignoring things and THIS is what happens when a community 
REFUSES to face its problems.

NOW is very much the time for this and many other discussions like it to 
happen....before time allows us to sink into another hole of complacency and 
allows us to forget any and all of the victims of one man's lunacy and one 
towns refusal to freaking get the point that something is very wrong with 
this community.



J  :]





>From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: Frank <theceo at optonline.net>, Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com>,      
>   <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] what he was shooting
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:22:05 -0700
>
>
>I truly wish a discussion like this would not take place now.  We've had 
>four people die from gunshot wounds over the weekend, including a friend of 
>my husband's,  and another is in serious condition.  To invite us to 
>picture the damage a bullet can do to a person is unnecessary, because if 
>we weren't aware before, we surely are now.  More important than the 
>velocity, caliber, and physics of a bullet fired from a weapon is the fact 
>that one just killed a cop, our neighbor, who gave his life to protect us.  
>Another silenced a woman who had suffered before from the hands of her 
>husband, another took away from us a dear, sweet man, and, finally here, 
>one ended the horror of a life none of us will ever understand.  There will 
>always be much to discuss when it comes to guns and people, but for right 
>now, couldn't we focus on never, ever, forgetting a time when the equation 
>visited us in Moscow and changed forever the relative innocence and calm of 
>our community, taking with it four of our neighbors and injuring two more?  
>We have families in mourning, a church shattered by loss, kids trying to 
>understand, and a community in shock.  Blood was shed and two lives were 
>ended at the church my family and I attend.  I don't care about the caliber 
>and power of the bullet; I care about appreciating the caliber of men and 
>women we have in uniform and witnessing the power of something much, much 
>greater than hot metal ripping through a chamber.keely> From: 
>theceo at optonline.net> To: areaman at moscow.com; vision2020 at moscow.com> Date: 
>Mon, 21 May 2007 13:11:06 -0400> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] shooter identity 
>. . . And what he was shooting> > As an expert I can speak to this and 
>you're still wrong. The Russian version> AK-47 is most likely the best 
>weapon in the world today. The US Army gave up> the M1 Grande which used 
>the 308 round to go to the M14 in about 1962 which> used the 7.62x39 round. 
>The difference is the 7.62x39 is a high velocity> round. If you shoot a 308 
>round through a 55 gal barrel of water it just> punches through to the 
>other side. Then if you take a 7.62x39 round and> shoot it at the barrel 
>and it explodes. The speed is so fast that hydraulics> come into play. You 
>can't compress water so the force blows up the barrel> before it can exit 
>the other side. Now think what that does to a person who> is 90 percent 
>water?  The round does a lot of damage before it exits the> body.  That is 
>still the round our army uses today. Now which one do you> think has the 
>power and inflicts the most damage?  In Nam the Russian AK 47> used a 
>6.2x54 round. If the communist fighter ran out of ammunition he could> find 
>a dead GI and take his ammunition and use it in his rifle because the> x39 
>was smaller than the x54 and would chamber. However it would not work> the 
>other way because the x54 was too big to chamber in a M16. If you are> 
>really this interested in guns you should go see your army recruiter he 
>can> sign you up for a fore year course.> > THECEO> > -----Original 
>Message-----> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]On> Behalf Of Dan Carscallen> Sent: 
>Monday, May 21, 2007 3:12 PM> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Subject: Re: 
>[Vision2020] shooter identity . . . And what he was shooting> > Vizzz 
>peeps,> > After watching the press conference, some of the events of 
>Saturday> night/Sunday morning have become more clear.> > With the initial 
>reports of the shooter using an SKS in the incident, I> was a little 
>confused and concerned as to how it was done, as the> 7.62x39mm cartridge 
>used in that rifle did not seem powerful enough to> have done some of the 
>damage that was said to be inflicted.  Now, after> hearing that the shooter 
>also had an M1A, which is a .308 caliber (a> popular hunting caliber), I 
>can understand a little better since this is> a significantly more powerful 
>round than the 7.62X39 by almost 1/3.> This would also explain a bit more 
>the difference in sound between the> shots fired earlier and those fired 
>later.> > Of course, neither of these calibers could be stopped by a 
>"bulletproof"> vest.> > I'm sure Tom Hansen can speak to this, as he's 
>probably had some> experience with the M14 (the military version of the 
>M1A) and maybe even> some time with an AK47 during his time in Germany.> > 
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