[Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
Carl Westberg
carlwestberg846 at hotmail.com
Mon May 21 16:44:15 PDT 2007
Can I make one suggestion? If there is going to be, and it seems
inevitable, a thread about gun control, which, as happens when gun control
is discussed, will likely turn rather nasty at times, how about changing the
subject line? "Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers" was originally a
heartfelt message from a longtime community member. If gun control must be
the issue, how about, oh, I don't know...."gun control" as the subject line?
Carl Westberg Jr.
>From: <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:20:27 GMT
>
>If we take them off the streets and make them difficult to get the bad
>guys will still have them and our beloved cops won't. Not good.
>
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > I believe that as a gun owner myself, we could do away with "assualt"
> > rifles. This creates a battle with myself though, since I do believe the
>the
> > 2nd amendment and also believe they do serve a purpose. I can understand
> > where you come from and how you would like to make things better. What I
> > don't understand is, why we as Americans try to place blame on something
>or
> > someone else, instead of taking responsibilty. Some might state that
>this
> > tragedy was caused by the gun itself.
> > I will say it was caused by a pyscho asshole who has no remorse for
>other
> > lives, AND, by the sounds of his police record should have been in jail
> > anyways.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > >To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <ngier at uidaho.edu>,
> > ><suehovey at moscow.com>
> > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > >Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:43:44 -0700
> > >
> > >I agree with you to an extent, Matt.
> > >
> > >However, I believe that is a shared responsibility between the parents
>(or
> > >lack thereof), the manufacturer (who fattens his fiscal bottom-line),
>the
> > >law (that continues to permit it), and the seller (that makes them
>readily
> > >available) that put a lethally armed killer in Moscow's First
>Presbyterian
> > >Church last night.
> > >
> > >Continued easy access to assault rifles is not going to eliminate, or
>even
> > >reduce, violent crimes. Yet, I feel that removing their accessibility
>and
> > >abolishing their legality may save lives.
> > >
> > >But then, I'm just one of them liberal wackos with a conscience doing
>what
> > >comes natural.
> > >
> > >Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > >
> > >Tom Hansen
> > >Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Matt Decker [mailto:mattd2107 at hotmail.com]
> > >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:25 PM
> > >To: thansen at moscow.com; ngier at uidaho.edu; suehovey at moscow.com
> > >Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > >
> > >Tom,
> > >
> > >You are correct. Sks along with most other semi auto can be manipulated
> > >into
> > >
> > >autos.
> > >
> > >It is very tragic that this event has come onto our front porch. It is
>also
> > >unfortunate, that some will use this for anti gun agendas. This tragedy
> > >could well have had the same outcome with a high powered hunting rifle.
>In
> > >my opinion it is not the version of gun that did the damage, but
>instead
> > >the
> > >
> > >sick soul who has no respect for other life. If we must blame someone,
>lets
> > >try his upbringing and the atmosphere that helped be who he was
>yesterday.
> > >
> > >Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > > >To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <ngier at uidaho.edu>,
> > > ><suehovey at moscow.com>
> > > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > > >Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:58:55 -0800
> > > >
> > > >SKS rifles can be easily converted to full automatic mode, although
>the
> > > >understood succession of fire could have been accomplished on
> > > >semi-automatic.
> > > >
> > > >It is my impression that the shooter used 20-round clips as three
>empty
> > > >clips were found in the courthouse parking lot and that it was
>reported
> > > >that
> > > >a total of approximately 75 rounds were fired (three empty clips on
>the
> > > >ground, with one clip on the weapon).
> > > >
> > > >Tom Hansen
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > >[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > > >On Behalf Of Matt Decker
> > > >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:44 PM
> > > >To: ngier at uidaho.edu; suehovey at moscow.com
> > > >Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > > >
> > > >Nick Gier,
> > > >
> > > >Would any ban stop something like this?
> > > >
> > > >I believe the SkS rifle is the semi automatic versionof the Ak-47,
>not
> > > >fully
> > > >
> > > >automatic. These weapons , I believe are sold with 10 round
>magazines,
> > > >however bigger mags can be purchased anywhere.
> > > >
> > > >I guess your question all gets back to wheather its the gun or the
>person
> > > >who does the killing.
> > > >
> > > >Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Nick Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>
> > > > >To: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
> > > > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > > > >Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:19:00 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >Greetings:
> > > > >
> > > > >I join with all of you in grieving this tragedy, right here in our
>own
> > > > >little town.
> > > > >
> > > > >Gail and I were in the sanctuary of the Presbyterian Church on
>Saturday
> > > >for
> > > >
> > > > >a memorial. This morning there were some missing kids in my Sunday
> > > >School
> > > > >class (we are two blocks away), but five kids and two teachers had
>a
> > >good
> > > > >discussion about how we can better secure our nation and our
> > >communities.
> > > > >These young Unitarians are bright intellectually and emotionally
> > >strong,
> > > > >but this hit them very hard.
> > > > >
> > > > >My heart goes out to the families directly involved. I too am very
> > >proud
> > > > >of our police force. Dan Weaver is the finest police chief I've
>ever
> > > > >known.
> > > > >
> > > > >One question: could keeping the ban on automatic rifles prevented
>the
> > > > >buying of this weapon, assuming that it was bought in the last
>several
> > > > >years? 20-30 round magazines are necessary only for war!
> > > > >
> > > > >Nick Gier
> > > > >
> > > > >>We never know, do we, when we will be called on to put aside those
> > > >issues
> > > > >>which divide us and seek healing for ourselves, our community and
>the
> > > > >>families who have been so tragically harmed.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>It reminds us to be grateful for what we have and to mourn
>together
> > >what
> > > > >>we
> > > > >>have lost. I think Moscow will never be the same. This is the
>day
> > > >which
> > > > >>all of us who live here will always remember as a defining and
>tragic
> > > > >>moment.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>My heartfelt condolences to the members of the Police Force who
>have
> > > >lost
> > > > >>an
> > > > >>honored member, the Newbill family who has lost a loved one; and
>to
> > >the
> > > > >>other members of the hospital community and the civic community my
> > > > >>gratitude
> > > > >>for the response meant to heal the wounded and protect the rest of
>us.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>And thank you Ghazi, for the beautiful words.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Sue
> > > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>From: "Dr. S.M. Ghazanfar" <ghazi at uidaho.edu>
> > > > >>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > > >>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:41 PM
> > > > >>Subject: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > My Dear Community:
> > > > >> > Our daughter called from Atlanta this morning around 6.00a.m.,
>and
> > > > >>said,
> > > > >> > "Dad, do you know what is happening in our Moscow?" Her words
>were
> > > > >> > frightening; the rest is horrendous news for our town.
> > > > >> > I have personally known several of our local Police Force.
>Having
> > > >lived
> > > > >> > here and loved this community for decades, this is by far the
>most
> > > > >> > tragic event that I can recall. When
> > > > >> > some suffer, we all suffer; and when some die, part of us
> > >dies....and
> > > > >>we
> > > > >> > agonize as to why......
> > > > >> > Our grief is enormous......heartfelt condolences to the family
>of
> > >the
> > > > >> > bereaved, brave Lew Newbill...and our most sincere good wishes,
> > > >hopes,
> > > > >> > and prayers for the recovery of Officer Brannon Johnson.
> > > > >> > Let's also sincerely hope that a tragic event such as this can
> > > > >>encourage
> > > > >> > all of us to think in terms of community harmony and to be
> > >genuinely
> > > > >> > more tolerant and accepting of others.....
> > > > >> > Ghazi family
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > _______________________
> > > > >> > Dr. S.M. Ghazanfar
> > > > >> > Professor Emeritus/Economics (Emeritus, 2002; Dept.Chair, '79-
>81;
> > > > >>'93-01;
> > > > >> > Director, International Studies Program, '89-93)
> > > > >> > University of Idaho
> > > > >> > Moscow, Idaho 83843 (USA)
> > > > >> > Phone: 208-885-7144(Office); 208-882-7619(Home)
> > > > >> > Homepage: www.uidaho.edu/~ghazi
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
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> > > > >"Truth is the summit of being; justice is the application of it to
> > >human
> > > > >affairs."
> > > > >--Ralph Waldo Emerson
> > > > >
> > > > >"Abstract truth has no value unless it incarnates in human beings
>who
> > > > >represent it, by proving their readiness to die for it."
> > > > > --Mohandas Gandhi
> > > > >
> > > > >"Modern physics has taught us that the nature of any system cannot
>be
> > > > >discovered by dividing it into its component parts and studying
>each
> > >part
> > > > >by itself. . . .We must keep our attention fixed on the whole and
>on
> > >the
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>religion,
> > >and
> > > > >art. The whole is never equal simply to the sum of its various
>parts."
> > > > >--Max Planck
> > > > >
> > > > >Nicholas F. Gier
> > > > >Professor Emeritus, Department of Philosophy, University of Idaho
> > > > >1037 Colt Rd., Moscow, ID 83843
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