[Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
Matt Decker
mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Mon May 21 16:28:01 PDT 2007
Pat,
Our cops have "those" weapons. I believe our police force has either the
ar-15 or the M-16 and the mp5 sub machine gun. Granted I am talking about
other cities but would assume MPD has stuff like that.
Matt
>From: <pkraut at moscow.com>
>To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
>Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:20:27 GMT
>
>If we take them off the streets and make them difficult to get the bad
>guys will still have them and our beloved cops won't. Not good.
>
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > I believe that as a gun owner myself, we could do away with "assualt"
> > rifles. This creates a battle with myself though, since I do believe the
>the
> > 2nd amendment and also believe they do serve a purpose. I can understand
> > where you come from and how you would like to make things better. What I
> > don't understand is, why we as Americans try to place blame on something
>or
> > someone else, instead of taking responsibilty. Some might state that
>this
> > tragedy was caused by the gun itself.
> > I will say it was caused by a pyscho asshole who has no remorse for
>other
> > lives, AND, by the sounds of his police record should have been in jail
> > anyways.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > >To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <ngier at uidaho.edu>,
> > ><suehovey at moscow.com>
> > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > >Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:43:44 -0700
> > >
> > >I agree with you to an extent, Matt.
> > >
> > >However, I believe that is a shared responsibility between the parents
>(or
> > >lack thereof), the manufacturer (who fattens his fiscal bottom-line),
>the
> > >law (that continues to permit it), and the seller (that makes them
>readily
> > >available) that put a lethally armed killer in Moscow's First
>Presbyterian
> > >Church last night.
> > >
> > >Continued easy access to assault rifles is not going to eliminate, or
>even
> > >reduce, violent crimes. Yet, I feel that removing their accessibility
>and
> > >abolishing their legality may save lives.
> > >
> > >But then, I'm just one of them liberal wackos with a conscience doing
>what
> > >comes natural.
> > >
> > >Seeya round town, Moscow.
> > >
> > >Tom Hansen
> > >Moscow, Idaho
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Matt Decker [mailto:mattd2107 at hotmail.com]
> > >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:25 PM
> > >To: thansen at moscow.com; ngier at uidaho.edu; suehovey at moscow.com
> > >Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > >
> > >Tom,
> > >
> > >You are correct. Sks along with most other semi auto can be manipulated
> > >into
> > >
> > >autos.
> > >
> > >It is very tragic that this event has come onto our front porch. It is
>also
> > >unfortunate, that some will use this for anti gun agendas. This tragedy
> > >could well have had the same outcome with a high powered hunting rifle.
>In
> > >my opinion it is not the version of gun that did the damage, but
>instead
> > >the
> > >
> > >sick soul who has no respect for other life. If we must blame someone,
>lets
> > >try his upbringing and the atmosphere that helped be who he was
>yesterday.
> > >
> > >Matt
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> > > >To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <ngier at uidaho.edu>,
> > > ><suehovey at moscow.com>
> > > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > > >Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:58:55 -0800
> > > >
> > > >SKS rifles can be easily converted to full automatic mode, although
>the
> > > >understood succession of fire could have been accomplished on
> > > >semi-automatic.
> > > >
> > > >It is my impression that the shooter used 20-round clips as three
>empty
> > > >clips were found in the courthouse parking lot and that it was
>reported
> > > >that
> > > >a total of approximately 75 rounds were fired (three empty clips on
>the
> > > >ground, with one clip on the weapon).
> > > >
> > > >Tom Hansen
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > >[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > > >On Behalf Of Matt Decker
> > > >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:44 PM
> > > >To: ngier at uidaho.edu; suehovey at moscow.com
> > > >Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > > >
> > > >Nick Gier,
> > > >
> > > >Would any ban stop something like this?
> > > >
> > > >I believe the SkS rifle is the semi automatic versionof the Ak-47,
>not
> > > >fully
> > > >
> > > >automatic. These weapons , I believe are sold with 10 round
>magazines,
> > > >however bigger mags can be purchased anywhere.
> > > >
> > > >I guess your question all gets back to wheather its the gun or the
>person
> > > >who does the killing.
> > > >
> > > >Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: Nick Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>
> > > > >To: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
> > > > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > > > >Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:19:00 -0800
> > > > >
> > > > >Greetings:
> > > > >
> > > > >I join with all of you in grieving this tragedy, right here in our
>own
> > > > >little town.
> > > > >
> > > > >Gail and I were in the sanctuary of the Presbyterian Church on
>Saturday
> > > >for
> > > >
> > > > >a memorial. This morning there were some missing kids in my Sunday
> > > >School
> > > > >class (we are two blocks away), but five kids and two teachers had
>a
> > >good
> > > > >discussion about how we can better secure our nation and our
> > >communities.
> > > > >These young Unitarians are bright intellectually and emotionally
> > >strong,
> > > > >but this hit them very hard.
> > > > >
> > > > >My heart goes out to the families directly involved. I too am very
> > >proud
> > > > >of our police force. Dan Weaver is the finest police chief I've
>ever
> > > > >known.
> > > > >
> > > > >One question: could keeping the ban on automatic rifles prevented
>the
> > > > >buying of this weapon, assuming that it was bought in the last
>several
> > > > >years? 20-30 round magazines are necessary only for war!
> > > > >
> > > > >Nick Gier
> > > > >
> > > > >>We never know, do we, when we will be called on to put aside those
> > > >issues
> > > > >>which divide us and seek healing for ourselves, our community and
>the
> > > > >>families who have been so tragically harmed.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>It reminds us to be grateful for what we have and to mourn
>together
> > >what
> > > > >>we
> > > > >>have lost. I think Moscow will never be the same. This is the
>day
> > > >which
> > > > >>all of us who live here will always remember as a defining and
>tragic
> > > > >>moment.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>My heartfelt condolences to the members of the Police Force who
>have
> > > >lost
> > > > >>an
> > > > >>honored member, the Newbill family who has lost a loved one; and
>to
> > >the
> > > > >>other members of the hospital community and the civic community my
> > > > >>gratitude
> > > > >>for the response meant to heal the wounded and protect the rest of
>us.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>And thank you Ghazi, for the beautiful words.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Sue
> > > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>From: "Dr. S.M. Ghazanfar" <ghazi at uidaho.edu>
> > > > >>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > > >>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:41 PM
> > > > >>Subject: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > My Dear Community:
> > > > >> > Our daughter called from Atlanta this morning around 6.00a.m.,
>and
> > > > >>said,
> > > > >> > "Dad, do you know what is happening in our Moscow?" Her words
>were
> > > > >> > frightening; the rest is horrendous news for our town.
> > > > >> > I have personally known several of our local Police Force.
>Having
> > > >lived
> > > > >> > here and loved this community for decades, this is by far the
>most
> > > > >> > tragic event that I can recall. When
> > > > >> > some suffer, we all suffer; and when some die, part of us
> > >dies....and
> > > > >>we
> > > > >> > agonize as to why......
> > > > >> > Our grief is enormous......heartfelt condolences to the family
>of
> > >the
> > > > >> > bereaved, brave Lew Newbill...and our most sincere good wishes,
> > > >hopes,
> > > > >> > and prayers for the recovery of Officer Brannon Johnson.
> > > > >> > Let's also sincerely hope that a tragic event such as this can
> > > > >>encourage
> > > > >> > all of us to think in terms of community harmony and to be
> > >genuinely
> > > > >> > more tolerant and accepting of others.....
> > > > >> > Ghazi family
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > --
> > > > >> > _______________________
> > > > >> > Dr. S.M. Ghazanfar
> > > > >> > Professor Emeritus/Economics (Emeritus, 2002; Dept.Chair, '79-
>81;
> > > > >>'93-01;
> > > > >> > Director, International Studies Program, '89-93)
> > > > >> > University of Idaho
> > > > >> > Moscow, Idaho 83843 (USA)
> > > > >> > Phone: 208-885-7144(Office); 208-882-7619(Home)
> > > > >> > Homepage: www.uidaho.edu/~ghazi
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
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>be
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