[Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
Matt Decker
mattd2107 at hotmail.com
Mon May 21 13:36:08 PDT 2007
Tom,
I believe that as a gun owner myself, we could do away with "assualt"
rifles. This creates a battle with myself though, since I do believe the the
2nd amendment and also believe they do serve a purpose. I can understand
where you come from and how you would like to make things better. What I
don't understand is, why we as Americans try to place blame on something or
someone else, instead of taking responsibilty. Some might state that this
tragedy was caused by the gun itself.
I will say it was caused by a pyscho asshole who has no remorse for other
lives, AND, by the sounds of his police record should have been in jail
anyways.
Matt
>From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <ngier at uidaho.edu>,
><suehovey at moscow.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
>Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:43:44 -0700
>
>I agree with you to an extent, Matt.
>
>However, I believe that is a shared responsibility between the parents (or
>lack thereof), the manufacturer (who fattens his fiscal bottom-line), the
>law (that continues to permit it), and the seller (that makes them readily
>available) that put a lethally armed killer in Moscow's First Presbyterian
>Church last night.
>
>Continued easy access to assault rifles is not going to eliminate, or even
>reduce, violent crimes. Yet, I feel that removing their accessibility and
>abolishing their legality may save lives.
>
>But then, I'm just one of them liberal wackos with a conscience doing what
>comes natural.
>
>Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
>Tom Hansen
>Moscow, Idaho
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Decker [mailto:mattd2107 at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 6:25 PM
>To: thansen at moscow.com; ngier at uidaho.edu; suehovey at moscow.com
>Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
>
>Tom,
>
>You are correct. Sks along with most other semi auto can be manipulated
>into
>
>autos.
>
>It is very tragic that this event has come onto our front porch. It is also
>unfortunate, that some will use this for anti gun agendas. This tragedy
>could well have had the same outcome with a high powered hunting rifle. In
>my opinion it is not the version of gun that did the damage, but instead
>the
>
>sick soul who has no respect for other life. If we must blame someone, lets
>try his upbringing and the atmosphere that helped be who he was yesterday.
>
>Matt
>
>
> >From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
> >To: "'Matt Decker'" <mattd2107 at hotmail.com>, <ngier at uidaho.edu>,
> ><suehovey at moscow.com>
> >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> >Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:58:55 -0800
> >
> >SKS rifles can be easily converted to full automatic mode, although the
> >understood succession of fire could have been accomplished on
> >semi-automatic.
> >
> >It is my impression that the shooter used 20-round clips as three empty
> >clips were found in the courthouse parking lot and that it was reported
> >that
> >a total of approximately 75 rounds were fired (three empty clips on the
> >ground, with one clip on the weapon).
> >
> >Tom Hansen
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >
> >From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>[mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> >On Behalf Of Matt Decker
> >Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:44 PM
> >To: ngier at uidaho.edu; suehovey at moscow.com
> >Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> >
> >Nick Gier,
> >
> >Would any ban stop something like this?
> >
> >I believe the SkS rifle is the semi automatic versionof the Ak-47, not
> >fully
> >
> >automatic. These weapons , I believe are sold with 10 round magazines,
> >however bigger mags can be purchased anywhere.
> >
> >I guess your question all gets back to wheather its the gun or the person
> >who does the killing.
> >
> >Matt
> >
> >
> > >From: Nick Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>
> > >To: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
> > >CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > >Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:19:00 -0800
> > >
> > >Greetings:
> > >
> > >I join with all of you in grieving this tragedy, right here in our own
> > >little town.
> > >
> > >Gail and I were in the sanctuary of the Presbyterian Church on Saturday
> >for
> >
> > >a memorial. This morning there were some missing kids in my Sunday
> >School
> > >class (we are two blocks away), but five kids and two teachers had a
>good
> > >discussion about how we can better secure our nation and our
>communities.
> > >These young Unitarians are bright intellectually and emotionally
>strong,
> > >but this hit them very hard.
> > >
> > >My heart goes out to the families directly involved. I too am very
>proud
> > >of our police force. Dan Weaver is the finest police chief I've ever
> > >known.
> > >
> > >One question: could keeping the ban on automatic rifles prevented the
> > >buying of this weapon, assuming that it was bought in the last several
> > >years? 20-30 round magazines are necessary only for war!
> > >
> > >Nick Gier
> > >
> > >>We never know, do we, when we will be called on to put aside those
> >issues
> > >>which divide us and seek healing for ourselves, our community and the
> > >>families who have been so tragically harmed.
> > >>
> > >>It reminds us to be grateful for what we have and to mourn together
>what
> > >>we
> > >>have lost. I think Moscow will never be the same. This is the day
> >which
> > >>all of us who live here will always remember as a defining and tragic
> > >>moment.
> > >>
> > >>My heartfelt condolences to the members of the Police Force who have
> >lost
> > >>an
> > >>honored member, the Newbill family who has lost a loved one; and to
>the
> > >>other members of the hospital community and the civic community my
> > >>gratitude
> > >>for the response meant to heal the wounded and protect the rest of us.
> > >>
> > >>And thank you Ghazi, for the beautiful words.
> > >>
> > >>Sue
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Dr. S.M. Ghazanfar" <ghazi at uidaho.edu>
> > >>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > >>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:41 PM
> > >>Subject: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > My Dear Community:
> > >> > Our daughter called from Atlanta this morning around 6.00a.m., and
> > >>said,
> > >> > "Dad, do you know what is happening in our Moscow?" Her words were
> > >> > frightening; the rest is horrendous news for our town.
> > >> > I have personally known several of our local Police Force. Having
> >lived
> > >> > here and loved this community for decades, this is by far the most
> > >> > tragic event that I can recall. When
> > >> > some suffer, we all suffer; and when some die, part of us
>dies....and
> > >>we
> > >> > agonize as to why......
> > >> > Our grief is enormous......heartfelt condolences to the family of
>the
> > >> > bereaved, brave Lew Newbill...and our most sincere good wishes,
> >hopes,
> > >> > and prayers for the recovery of Officer Brannon Johnson.
> > >> > Let's also sincerely hope that a tragic event such as this can
> > >>encourage
> > >> > all of us to think in terms of community harmony and to be
>genuinely
> > >> > more tolerant and accepting of others.....
> > >> > Ghazi family
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > _______________________
> > >> > Dr. S.M. Ghazanfar
> > >> > Professor Emeritus/Economics (Emeritus, 2002; Dept.Chair, '79-81;
> > >>'93-01;
> > >> > Director, International Studies Program, '89-93)
> > >> > University of Idaho
> > >> > Moscow, Idaho 83843 (USA)
> > >> > Phone: 208-885-7144(Office); 208-882-7619(Home)
> > >> > Homepage: www.uidaho.edu/~ghazi
> > >> >
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> > >
> > >"Abstract truth has no value unless it incarnates in human beings who
> > >represent it, by proving their readiness to die for it."
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