[Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......

Tom Hansen thansen at moscow.com
Sun May 20 16:58:55 PDT 2007

SKS rifles can be easily converted to full automatic mode, although the
understood succession of fire could have been accomplished on

It is my impression that the shooter used 20-round clips as three empty
clips were found in the courthouse parking lot and that it was reported that
a total of approximately 75 rounds were fired (three empty clips on the
ground, with one clip on the weapon).

Tom Hansen

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From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of Matt Decker
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 3:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......

Nick Gier,

Would any ban stop something like this?

I believe the SkS rifle is the semi automatic versionof the Ak-47, not fully

automatic. These weapons , I believe are sold with 10 round magazines, 
however bigger mags can be purchased anywhere.

I guess your question all gets back to wheather its the gun or the person 
who does the killing.


>From: Nick Gier <ngier at uidaho.edu>
>To: Sue Hovey <suehovey at moscow.com>
>CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
>Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:19:00 -0800
>I join with all of you in grieving this tragedy, right here in our own 
>little town.
>Gail and I were in the sanctuary of the Presbyterian Church on Saturday for

>a memorial.  This morning there were some missing kids in my Sunday School 
>class (we are two blocks away), but five kids and two teachers had a good 
>discussion about how we can better secure our nation and our communities.  
>These young Unitarians are bright intellectually and emotionally strong, 
>but this hit them very hard.
>My heart goes out to the families directly involved.  I too am very proud 
>of our police force.  Dan Weaver is the finest police chief I've ever 
>One question: could keeping the ban on automatic rifles prevented the 
>buying of this weapon, assuming that it was bought in the last several 
>years?  20-30 round magazines are necessary only for war!
>Nick Gier
>>We never know, do we, when we will be called on to put aside those issues
>>which divide us and seek healing for ourselves, our community and the
>>families who have been so tragically harmed.
>>It reminds us to be grateful for what we have and to mourn together what 
>>have lost.  I think Moscow will never be the same.  This is the day which
>>all of us who live here will always remember as a defining and tragic
>>My heartfelt condolences to the members of the Police Force who have lost 
>>honored member, the Newbill family who has lost a loved one; and to the
>>other members of the hospital community and the civic community my 
>>for the response meant to heal the wounded and protect the rest of us.
>>And thank you Ghazi, for the beautiful words.
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>>From: "Dr. S.M. Ghazanfar" <ghazi at uidaho.edu>
>>To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:41 PM
>>Subject: [Vision2020] Grief, condolences, hopes, prayers......
>> > My Dear Community:
>> > Our daughter called from Atlanta this morning around 6.00a.m., and 
>> > "Dad, do you know what is happening in our Moscow?" Her words were
>> > frightening; the rest is horrendous news for our town.
>> > I have personally known several of our local Police Force. Having lived
>> > here and loved this community for decades, this is by far the most
>> > tragic event that I can recall. When
>> > some suffer, we all suffer; and when some die, part of us dies....and 
>> > agonize as to why......
>> > Our grief is enormous......heartfelt condolences to the family of the
>> > bereaved, brave Lew Newbill...and our most sincere good wishes, hopes,
>> > and prayers for the recovery of Officer Brannon Johnson.
>> > Let's also sincerely hope that a tragic event such as this can 
>> > all of us to think in terms of community harmony and to be genuinely
>> > more tolerant and accepting of others.....
>> > Ghazi family
>> >
>> > --
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>> > Dr. S.M. Ghazanfar
>> > Professor Emeritus/Economics (Emeritus, 2002; Dept.Chair, '79-81; 
>> > Director,             International Studies Program, '89-93)
>> > University of Idaho
>> > Moscow, Idaho 83843 (USA)
>> > Phone: 208-885-7144(Office); 208-882-7619(Home)
>> > Homepage: www.uidaho.edu/~ghazi
>> >
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