[Vision2020] Give Sitler a Chance: Response to Comments
J Ford
privatejf32 at hotmail.com
Mon May 14 17:25:09 PDT 2007
"I haven't seen anything suggesting that Doug Wilson...counselors believe
him to be cured....If I missed that, my mistake."
Yep, you missed it! Dougie-Boy has specifically stated that both Sitler and
Jamin are not only repenting for their acts of child molestation, but are
"cured" of those acts and will not be committing them again. He said it in
a letter to the court for Sitler and in the "town meeting" held in the fall.
They are cured because he said s and he should know - he has been
"counseling" them even though he holds not pastoral or counseling license or
had any training in either of those fields much less studied or been
certified as a pedophile expert/authority/counselor. Otherwise, he would
"not allow them back into the church or to receive communion" in the church
or from the church. He also specifically stated that Jamin was receiving
communion in his home and Sitler would be sitting in the back of the church
during services once he is released. NEITHER of those cases is nor was ever
true.
J :]
>From: "Glenn Schwaller" <vpschwaller at gmail.com>
>To: "Art Deco" <deco at moscow.com>, vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Give Sitler a Chance: Response to Comments
>Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:46:25 -0700
>
>Mr Fox,
>
>For all I know, you might seriously suggest that a convicted pedophile
>be allowed around children. Particularly children related to a person
>you seem to seriously dislike, to the point of juvenile name calling.
>The fact you refer to it as a "modest proposal" simply underscores the
>seriousness of your inability to see the damage to civility and common
>sense I think you have caused.
>
>Had I off-listed a response to you, I would have been one of those
>recognizing your proposal was irony. It was irony. It was just in my
>opinion, offensive and inappropriate. To compare your modest proposal
>with that of Jonathan Swift boggles my mind.
>
>You state that "Mr. Schwaller takes me to task for being a name
>caller with respect to convicted pedophile Steven Sitler. His
>objection was to my use of the phrase
>
> "to prove that Sitler has been cured of his habit of debauching
>children".
>
>Your name calling had nothing to do with you referring to Mr Sitler as
>a debaucher of children. I was objecting specifically to your use of
>"Cultmaster" along with all the other posters who use terms such as
>"Dougie-Boy," reference to NSA as No Saints Around etc etc etc. I
>guess that was the proverbial straw. This name calling serves no
>purpose other than to reduce your comments to so much blather. I find
>it "ironic" that in a town with such a wealth of intellect, so many
>resort to childish tactics to make themselves heard. Well we hear
>you. I don't think many of us pay you heed.
>
>If you read my post carefully, you will note I was attempting to point
>out that, contrary to your assumption, I don't believe Doug Wilson et
>al. think Mr Sitler is "cured." I haven't seen anything suggesting
>that Doug Wilson, NSA, Christ's Church, Mr Sitler's attorney or his
>counselors believe him to be cured. If I missed that, my mistake. My
>intention was to give some education on this point of "cured." I'm
>sorry if you missed it. Given the fact you brought up this point
>again at the end of your post (. . . should Sitler demonstrate that
>he is not "cured" despite all their assurances.) it seems you can't or
>don't want to understand that "cured" is not an option in any sex
>offense case.
>
>Schwaller
>
>
>
>
>On 5/14/07, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Glenn, Saundra, Keely, et al,
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a response to several comments made about my modest proposal
>with respect to pedophile Steven Sitler:
> >
> >
> >
> > "Wilson could petition the court to allow Sitler to board at his
>daughter's and son-in-law's (the Merkle's) home with their horde of
>children for the next two or three years."
> >
> >
> >
> > I have received a number of off-list responses about this proposal.
>All of those responders recognized that my proposal was irony and extreme
>irony at that. Not only was the posting irony, but irony heavily laden
>with sub-text.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would never seriously suggest that any convicted pedophile or even
>any person with a probable propensity towards sexually abusing children be
>allowed anywhere near them, and in fact, quite the contrary. I had hoped
>that anyone who has read my previous postings on this subject would have
>seen see that.
> >
> >
> >
> > I no more meant to suggest that a person with pedophilic tendencies be
>placed around children than Jonathan Swift would seriously suggest that we
>eat cook and children, the ironic thesis of his essay A Modest Proposal.
> >
> >
> >
> > To those that do not think that pedophilia should be the subject of
>irony: We disagree. In this case, irony was not used to poke fun at
>anyone, especially the numerous, unfortunate victims of Sitler. Irony,
>especially irony with sub-text, is sometimes an effective means making a
>point. This time, some got it, others not. Some appeared to choose to
>intentionally misinterpret it.
> >
> >
> >
> > In addition, although the prosecutor and the court have seemed to have
>evinced great gullibility in this case, the probability that they would
>ever even consider such a horrendous proposal is very close to zero.
> >
> >
> >
> > That said, I apologize for the lack of clarity in my writing that
>caused some to sincerely take it as a serious proposal or an attempt to
>make fun of the victim's of pedophilia.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Mr. Schwaller takes me to task for being a name caller with respect to
>convicted pedophile Steven Sitler. His objection was to my use of the
>phrase
> >
> >
> >
> > "to prove that Sitler has been cured of his habit of debauching
>children"
> >
> >
> >
> > Although there is absolutely no doubt that I have been and will be a
>name caller on Vision 2020, this instance is not one of them.
> >
> >
> >
> > One of the problems in dealing with child sexual abuse is that many
>truly concerned people are unwilling to discuss it openly and/or to
>discuss it in candidly descriptive terms. I present some excerpts from
>the Sitler case file below. Readers can decide if the "habit of
>debauching children" is name calling or an accurate description of Steven
>Sitler's actions.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Case No. Cr-2005-02027, RULE 11 PLEA AGREEMENT
> >
> >
> >
> > 2. The State agrees that it will not recommend a sentence
>greater than a judgment of conviction with the court retaining
>jurisdiction. The prosecuting attorney has been made aware by counsel for
>the defendant that the volume and extent of acts by the defendant are
>greater than the investigator's documentation. The prosecuting attorney
>has also been made aware by counsel for the defendant that similar acts
>occurred in connection with minors now residing in other states. The State
>agrees that it will not charge Steven James Sitler with any other crimes
>of a similar nature to Lewd Conduct with a Minor Under Sixteen Years of
>Age based on facts he discloses in connection with this case.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Mr. Thompson:
> >
> >
> >
> > I have reviewed the Rule II Plea Agreement in State v. Steven Sitler,
>Cause [sic] No. CR-2005-02027, specifically paragraphs 2 and 3. I find
>that both paragraphs accurately stale my position in this matter, wherein
>no charges will be pursued concerning disclosed Stevens County victims for
>crimes similar to Lewd Conduct with a Minor Under Sixteen Years of Age.
> >
> >
> >
> > /s/
> >
> > John G. Wetle
> >
> > Prosecuting Attorney for Stevens County
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Letter to Judge Stegner from a victim's parents
> >
> >
> >
> > Steven has admitted to several incidents of sexual perversion. We
>personally only know of the full details of his molestation of our
>daughter, Elizabeth. When she was only two years old, Steven offered to
>take her downstairs and watch her while the adults were talking upstairs.
>At that time he forced her to kiss his erect penis. It was painful enough
>to be told of the perversion that Steven committed against Elizabeth yet
>now we have watched for the last six months as an admitted child molester
>has been living in the comforts of his parent's home, whiling away the
>days that should be spent in jail.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Please notice the use of plurals in the language above and make the
>clear inference. In addition, the original NO CONTACT order issued in
>this case (from which I will not quote) contains some other information
>which generates inferences not inconsistent with that above.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There are many questions about the handling of this case starting with
>the initial spawning incident to the court hearing last week. Time now
>does not permit me to write a comprehensive review.
> >
> >
> >
> > But from another document:
> >
> >
> >
> > The case was marked by an egregiously lax law enforcement investigation
>including a six month "escape" from local jurisdiction while the case was
>being adjudicated, a much less than stellar prosecutor, very cozy cronyism
>between law enforcement, the prosecutor, and the pastor (read: cultmaster)
>of a so-called Christian church (read: cult) of which the pedophile was
>a participant, boarder, and student, and no press coverage before or while
>the case was in the adjudicated stages. [Steven Sitler was the second
>sexual offender outed from the so-called Christian college, New Saint
>Andrews (an adjunct of the church (cult)), in a very short time. Many
>locals wonder if these two represent only the tip of a large iceberg.]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have another question about the trophy website, especially given Mr.
>Schwaller contention that the court was not made aware of this during the
>original and revised sentencing but was aware of before last week's
>hearing.
> >
> >
> >
> > The original plea bargain contained the language:
> >
> >
> >
> > This plea agreement is based upon the facts and circumstances as they
>exist at the date of the signing of this agreement.
> >
> >
> >
> > This seems to indicate that the original omission of this trophy site
>evidence would be grounds for a reevaluation of the appropriateness of the
>original plea bargain and original and revised sentences.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's another issue which greatly bothers me: During the
>pre-sentence process, the State's expert witnesses presented strong
>evidence that Sitler was a high risk. Sitler's paid expert witness
>presented a rebuttal to these contentions. When I reviewed the file
>(before it was eviscerated by the court), there was no counter-rebuttal
>offered by the prosecutor. Aside from the obvious inference about the
>prosecutor's lack of action, I am left to wonder how the State's expert
>witnesses felt about this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I congratulate the Daily News (Saturday, May 12, 2007) for finally
>discussing parts of this case.
> >
> >
> >
> > The following probably mirrors the concerns of many persons much more
>eloquently than I ever could:
> >
> >
> >
> > Sue Fellon, executive director of the Idaho Coalition Against Sexual
>and Domestic Violence, said the time sex offenders serve ultimately
>depends on the severity of the case and the sentence that was handed down.
> >
> >
> >
> > "When someone gets a life sentence and only does a little over a year,
>treatment certainly cannot be monitored during that short of time," she
>said. "I think the jury's still out on (whether) treatment helps
>everybody."
> >
> >
> >
> > She said there is no guarantee treatment will keep those convicted of
>sex offenses from re-offending.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Pedophiles choose a child and are seeking power and control," Fellon
>said. "(They) made a choice, nobody makes them do it."
> >
> >
> >
> > She said pedophiles usually aren't the type to cause problems in prison
>and generally are well-behaved, which may help some get out early for good
> behavior.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fellon said there's a message sent to victims when offenders are
>released early.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Victims of sex abuse and assault often choose not to report and go
>through all this," she said. "This is another threat on the pile. (Sitler)
>gets a slap on the hand; you'd get more prison time if you got a couple of
>DUIs."
> >
> >
> >
> > She said the system is there to help the victim, but offenders often
>are treated with more compassion.
> >
> >
> >
> > Fellon said it's the victims who end up serving the life sentence
>because they must live with the crime for the rest of their lives.
> >
> >
> >
> > I greatly hope that Sitler does not re-offend. The world does not
>need new victims or recycled victims of these defiling, and sometimes
>life-altering crimes. [Another issue raised by Ms. Fellon: Do the weak
>sentencing conditions in this case forward general deterrence or provide
>sufficient retribution?]
> >
> >
> >
> > However, the reality is that predicting whether a particular offender
>will re-offend or not re-offend is very risky business. It seems to me
>to be very, very risky business when the offenses are numerous, over a long
> period of time, over wide areas, and where the offender kept a
>photographic trophy website including some of his victims.
> >
> >
> >
> > I do not wish to disparage Probation and Parole. However, they are
>overburdened and as such their effectiveness is not at its peak. And as to
>polygraph tests, they may or may not be helpful. Googling can allow
>those interested to find suggestions of successful ways to beat polygraph
>tests. Pedophiles are sometimes gifted with great guile. That is part
>of the reason they can escape detection for a long time or even ever. I am
>not assured that Probation and Parole or any one else for that matter
>including a professional counselor is a match for a determined pedophile's
>guile.
> >
> >
> >
> > Therefore, given the risky nature of predicting whether re-offenses
>will occur or not, then in my opinion, the error of assessing risk should
>be strongly on the side of protecting children and the community.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not convinced in this case that if Sitler re-offends, that he (a)
>will be caught, and (b) if caught, will be reported to law enforcement
>given the nature of the cult to which he has been entrusted, and the huge
>loss they would suffer should Sitler demonstrate that he is not "cured"
>despite all their assurances. [Perhaps, those that understood the some of
>the sub-text in the original ironic post have all ready picked this up.]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If nothing else, I hope this continuing discussion provides motivation
>for all of use to encourage the construction of a world where pedophilia
>does not occur, and if it does, it propagators are dealt with swiftly,
>effectively, and with justice for all, but especially for the victims.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > /s/ Wayne A. Fox
> >
> >
> >
> > Wayne A. Fox
> >
> > 1009 Karen Lane
> >
> > P.O. Box 9421
> >
> > Moscow, ID 83843
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> > (208) 882-7975
> >
> > waf at moscow.com
> >
> >
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