[Vision2020] Question for Mr. Schwaller

Sun May 13 15:29:43 PDT 2007

Yes, there is proof...just read the file.

It is NOT speculation, it is fact.  Again, read the file.

Yes; he stated and Dougie-Boy stated that Sitler "did not realize he was 
committing a crime" when he abused those children.  READ THE FILE!

Those aware of a crime, either going to be done or has been committed, has 
the moral and LEGAL responsibility to report the crime and the person who 
did it.  Dougie-Boy not only knew Sitler had committed the crime (and 
Jamin), he knew about the ones in the other states.  HE SAID he did.  Yet he 
did not report them.  He "encouraged" Sitler's family to turn in 
Sitler...not Sitler himself, not Dougie-Boy, not the family that eventually 
did the reporting (and have since left the church), etc.

Am I angry at your response?  Nope...just perturbed that, once again, people 
do not bother to read and/or look into things but are very quick to pass on 
judgment of those that have.

Oh well.

J  :]

>From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>To: J Ford <privatejf32 at hotmail.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question for Mr. Schwaller
>Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 10:53:51 -0700
>
>
>This is irresponsible speculation and assignment of blame at its worst.  Do 
>we have any proof that Sitler has done anything in West Virginia or Texas, 
>or that Doug Wilson advised him to shut the hell up about them if he did?  
>Do we know -- can we ever REALLY know -- that Sitler views his crimes as 
>simply his "manly right" to sexually abuse children?  And do we really 
>think that Wilson's teaching on headship, patriarchy, and submission, as 
>disturbing and erroneous as I find those teachings to be, is a logical 
>motivator for acts of gross perversion against children?I don't like Doug 
>Wilson.  I find his depth of New Testament theological understanding to be 
>woefully lacking.  And I am, like anyone else, appalled by Steve Sitler's 
>crimes against children and I have a lot of concern about the questionable 
>way his prosecution was handled.  But I also hate the kind of innuendo that 
>J's post represents, and I find it unfair, intolerable, and uncharitable.J, 
>I'm sorry this post will anger you, but I'm not sorry for my reaction to 
>yours.  Steve Sitler and only Steve Sitler is accountable for his actions, 
>and I am accountable just as much for any contribution I make to an already 
>horrifying situation.keely>

From: privatejf32 at hotmail.com> To: vision2020 at moscow.com> Date: Sun, 13 May 
2007 09:42:26 -0700> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Question for Mr. Schwaller> > 
Simple....Dougie-Boy had told (and continues to tell) Sitler to only talk > 
about the incident(s) in Idaho and wait to see if WV or Texas or any other > 
state does anything about the crimes in their states.  If so, then things > 
would proceed from there - but again, ONLY as Dougie-Boy dictates it will.  
 > Thompson is just another puppet on a string for Dougie-Boy.> > Dougie-Boy 
is of the ilk of "disclose ONLY what they already know about and > shut the 
hell up on the rest."  He practices it, lives it, breathes it, > preaches 
it, etc.> > Sitler will NEVER "admit" to the other crimes because he does 
not see them > as "crimes"...he sees them as his "manly right" to do what he 
wants to the > children and women of the church.  Makes sense when you 
consider that > Dougie-Boy says that's the way it is from the lectern.> > > 
J  :]> > > > > > >From: Bob Herodotus <bherodotus at yahoo.com>> >To: 
vision2020 at moscow.com> >Subject: [Vision2020] Question for Mr. Schwaller> 
 >Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:15:03 -0700 (PDT)> >> >> >Dear Mr. Schwaller,> 
 >> >You seem like one of those "all things to all men" kind of guys to me; 
in > >fact, if I didn't know better I might be tempted to think you're 
another > >incarnation of Doug and Doug on one of their "skylarking" 
expeditions.  > >They're such clever guys.> >> >Nevertheless, since you 
appear intimately familiar with the court records, > >P & P's policy & 
procedure, Sitler¢s automobile, and even the Christ Church > >seating 
arrangement, I'm wondering if you could please account for the > 
 >contradiction between the implications of two of your statements?> >> >On 
Friday, May 4, you wrote,> >> >"I'm sure if the court was not aware of the 
"trophy website" then, they are > >now."> >> >But on Saturday, May 12, you 
wrote,> >> >"I would note that even Mr Sitler was responsible enough to 
stand in open > >court and apologize for his actions.  Yes, it may very well 
have been self > >serving of him to do so, but nonetheless he did 
apologize."> >> >In the former instance, you seemed almost dismissive about 
the so-called > >"trophy website."  However, in the latter you placed great 
weight on Mr. > >Sitler's public act of taking responsibility, whatever may 
have motivated > >him.> >> >This is important because the "trophy website" 
contained photographs of > >Sitler¢s victims from the states of West 
Virginia and Washington, and Bill > >Thompson has confirmed that Sitler 
failed to own it prior to its discovery. > >  So if you believe that Sitler 
"was responsible enough to stand in open > >court and apologize for his 
actions," then why do you believe the scope of > >his responsibility didn't 
include full disclosure?> >> >Thanks,> >> >Bob Herodotus> >> >> >> >> >> 
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